Posted on 03/22/2014 5:42:31 AM PDT by Gamecock
“You claim that the angels cannot hear us,”
No. I claim there is no Biblical evidence to support your prayer to angels.
“that we are not to talk with angels and ask them things,”
No. I’m claiming there is no Biblical evidence to support doing so.
“and finally say you cannot find examples of this in the Holy Bible and that Angels are somehow a pagan corruption.....”
Yes. Given that there is nothing from God to support such a pagan practice and it was not part of the Apostles Tradition, it is false.
“I guess you must not have Luke in your Bible, for in the first Chapter an angel greets Mary.”
This is a fact. It doesn’t however say we should pray to angels or that this was anything but the rarest of occasions where an angel appeared to deliver a message.
“Or you must not have the Book of Revelation in your Bible, for there we have mention of the great warrior angel who drives off the dragon which is about to devour the child born of the Virgin”
This is a fact. It doesn’t however say we should pray to angels or that this was anything but the rarest of occasions where an angel appeared to deliver a message.
“And I know you don’t have the book of Tobit in your Bible where an angel brings healing — guess that’s your loss.”
You are correct about Tobit! It is certainly not a loss. It doesn’t however say we should pray to angels or that this was anything but the rarest of occasions where an angel appeared to deliver a message.
Is that all you could come up with? You took three swings with no hits and three strikes.
“This is what that wretched religion really teaches...Who but Satan would lead people away from praying to God, to pray to and worship a female goddess they call Mary... “
It is all about the glory of the Son and none of it is about the glory of the Church or Mary. Those who have been taught differently are deceived.
And their form of gov't is a presidential republic.
“instructing us to “listen to the church,” and that those who fail to listen to the church should be treated “like a pagan or tax collector.””
Please read the context of this verse. You bandy it around like it is a universal statement. It is simply about church discipline between two believers who have a disagreement.
I’m quoting from the Bible. Why isn’t that enough for you?
Salvation,
Are you serious?
The claim was that we should PRAY to angels. A PRAYER was posted.
Your “quotes” did not support praying to angels.
If you have actual verses that teach prayer, demonstrate prayer or command Christians to PRAY to angels, please do post them dear FRiend.
So far, you have not done so. Perhaps you are busy.
You’re missing the point. Luther’s catechism isn’t held to be equal with Scripture.
In other words, you were still wrong.
Nope, same source as your literacy %. They got it from the Gov't for both classes. But like a typical catholic, rolls for anyone claiming authority, no matter the position. A good drone for the Catholic hive.
I’m seeing a long thread. Where did this FReeper admitted to lying?
If the mods didn’t delete the post, it’s in there.
And you’re still wrong.
Just keep the money coming in.
Look at post 91
sola gracia
I can see what he was doing, but I have seen much bigger misrepresentations made by Papists.
“I can see what he was doing, but I have seen much bigger misrepresentations made by Papists.”
I’ll send you a private reply.
And from this he generalizes that Protestant apologists are liars. It is to be ignored. Such broadbrush defamation is nothing but a sophisticated demonization tactic, very effective in deflecting a conversation away from substantive truth claim analysis, as the thread where the indiscretion occurred demonstrates.
GPH, I am certain you wish the event had not happened, but I can tell you as a member of my law review that sourcing an argument properly does help keep the focus on the substance of the things being argued. Against certain opponents, whose arguments on substance are weak, the temptation to exploit a technical weakness becomes irresistible. You cannot give them that option. It’s more work, but it’s worth it.
Vlad, sourcing integrity is important. We agree on this. But one misstep does not validate a false accusation against everyone else with whom you disagree. It is a false generalization, and using it for it’s falseness is as good as lying, even if only in the sense of a reckless disregard for the truth.
What does the command say? Don’t bear false witness against what? A source document? Or a neighbor? Not to diminish the wrongness of the one, but the other made it into God’s top ten list of bad things to do. There’s a reason for that.
I’ll send you a private reply.
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