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To: SeekAndFind

“So, a celebration of St. Patrick’s life now becomes to you, a thread to bash other Christians as non-Christians heh?”

1) I bashed no one.
2) I didn’t say anyone wasn’t a Christian. Believing in Christ and being baptized makes you a Christian. Being a Protestant means you believe a false gospel, not that you are not a Christian.
3) For Protestants, like Kennedy, to pretend that St. Patrick - a Catholic saint - believed the same false gospel Protestants invented a millennium after his death sounds more like bashing than anything I said.

“Firstly, explain to us what the gospel is.... then we’ll continue from there...”

If you have to ask what the gospel is, then that just proves my point: Protestants believe a false gospel.


11 posted on 03/16/2014 7:24:07 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

RE: I bashed no one.

OK, I admit poor choice of words, however you declared those whoa re not ROMAN Catholic as non-believers in the Gospel, which in effect makes them not Christians.

RE: I didn’t say anyone wasn’t a Christian. Believing in Christ and being baptized makes you a Christian. Being a Protestant means you believe a false gospel, not that you are not a Christian.

Excuse me? How can believing in a false gospel make you a Christian. A believer in a FALSE gospel makes a person a FALSE Christian, in effect making him non-Christian.

RE: For Protestants, like Kennedy, to pretend that St. Patrick - a Catholic saint

Patrick is a SAINT as in saint -— a person acknowledged as holy or virtuous and typically regarded as being in heaven after death. You don’t have to be ROMAN Catholic to believe that.

Also, Patrick was NEVER canonized officially by the ROMAN Catholic church. St. Patrick died around 461 A.D. The first saint formally canonized by the pope—for which we have a record, anyway—was St. Ulrich, bishop of Augsburg, Germany, in the year 993.

RE: If you have to ask what the gospel is, then that just proves my point: Protestants believe a false gospel.

Nope, since I don’t want to misunderstand you, or misquote you, want YOU to explain to us what your idea of the gospel is, then we’ll continue from there. That is why I ask the question. The question is not addressed to others but to YOU individually.

So yes, please explain to us what the gospel is according to your understanding, and then we’ll see whether or not men like James Kennedy believe in it or not.


13 posted on 03/16/2014 7:30:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: vladimir998; SeekAndFind
I grew up in Miami and heard James Kennedy teach many times as his Coral Ridge Church was a "sister" church to ours. So I can attest to his Christian beliefs in the Gospel.

Below is the statement of faith from Coral Ridge PCA church which is the Gospel as they and Kennedy (and I) see it....

We believe in one God, the sovereign Creator and Sustainer of all things, infinitely perfect and eternally existing in three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ, the living Word, became flesh through His miraculous conception by the Holy Spirit and His virgin birth. He who is true God became true man united in one Person forever. He died on the cross as sacrifice for our sins according to the Scriptures. On the third day He arose bodily from the dead, ascended into heaven, where, at the right hand of God the Father, He now is our High Priest and Mediator.

The Holy Spirit has come to glorify Christ and to apply the saving work of Christ to our hearts. He convicts us of sin and draws us to the Savior. Indwelling our hearts, He gives new life to us, empowers and imparts gifts to us for service. He instructs and guides us into all truth, and seals us for the day of redemption.

Being estranged from God and condemned by our sinfulness, our salvation is wholly dependent upon the work of God's free grace. God credits His righteousness to those who put their faith in Christ alone for their salvation, thereby justifying them in His sight. Only such as are born of the Holy Spirit and receive Jesus Christ become children of God and heirs of eternal life.

The true church is composed of all persons who through saving faith in Jesus Christ and the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit are united together in the body of Christ. The church finds her visible, yet imperfect, expression in local congregations where the Word of God is preached in its purity and the sacraments are administered in their integrity; where scriptural discipline is practiced, and where loving fellowship is maintained. For her perfecting, she awaits the return of her Lord.

Jesus Christ will come again to the earth - personally, visibly, and bodily - to judge the living and the dead, and to consummate history and the eternal plan of God.

If this is not "the Gospel", then I would like to hear from vladimir998 what is.

14 posted on 03/16/2014 7:35:37 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: vladimir998
If you have to ask what the gospel is, then that just proves my point: Protestants believe a false gospel.

Well how can you call yourself a Christian...If you have the true Gospel and won't share it with us, you're not much of a Christian...

So what is this true Gospel that we don't know about???

35 posted on 03/16/2014 1:30:03 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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