Papacy / Hierarchy in the Bible

http://thechurchofchristiscatholic.com ^

[NKP_Vet]

The following outline shows that Jesus intended to create a holy, visible Church; complete with a prime minister, a hierarchy, binding authority, and perpetuity—the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.

It is important for Protestants to understand some basic facts. Contrary to the modern belief that the Bible is a “blueprint” or “textbook” which explains how a church should be structured, it is a product of the Catholic Church—a compilation of writings that reflect a structure that was already present. As such, the “Bible alone” has no reason to provide fine details of proper ecclesiology; however, proper ecclesiology is detectable. Shortly after Jesus’ resurrection, the Catholic Church wrote lots of letters. The Catholic Church discerned which of those letters were inspired. By the end of the fourth century (Councils of Hippo A.D. 393 and Carthage A.D. 397) the Catholic Church finalized the “table of contents” of the Scriptures and called the entire body of writing “the Bible”. In other words, the Bible would not even exist if the popes and the hierarchy did not exist.

[NKP_Vet]

“Protestants spend very little time worrying about Catholics”.

You want me to go back and list all the Catholic-bashing remarks from protestants on FR? 100 to 1 favor of protestants bashing anything and everything that is posted about Catholicism. Even when a Catholic Caucus thread is started you have the usual Catholic bashers weighing in to tell Catholics how wrong their faith is.

It’s called protestant guilt and it’s alive and well on FR.

[NKP_Vet]

Makes a nice Christmas present.

http://www.amazon.com/The-One-True-Faith-Bible/dp/B0095229NA

[BlueDragon]

I never spent more than a few seconds at most, thinking about Roman Catholicism for the better part of my life --- until a few of those ilk started trying to take over FreeRepublic and make it into Roman Catholic proselytization-land

Here, from the link [provided just above];

Proselytism /ˈprɒsəlɨˌtɪzəm/[1][2] is the act of attempting to convert people to another religion or opinion. The word proselytize is derived ultimately from the Greek language prefix προσ- (toward) and the verb ἔρχομαι (to come) in the form of προσήλυτος (a new comer).

Do see that part where it says "attempting to convert people to another religion or opinion"?

Well, daily we are inundated with [Roman] Catholic promotional materials. Sometimes, those even speak of Christ (though one often enough needs to really look, or wade through the swamps of Catholicism this or Catholicism that just to catch a brief glimpse of Christ--Him being such a prisoner of that cult and all...)

Some of us here know Christ from outside of the narrow confines of Catholicism -- and can see that much of the RCC promotional thread postings (not all of them, and not all of them in ever aspect perhaps) are as much propoganda as anything, disagree because we KNOW BETTER than as things are often stated, so in exercise of our own freedoms, make our case for our own views.

If that doesn't well enough suite you --- are you logged on? Does your sister get nibbled by mooses? How about cheese? Do you like cheese? I like cheese...

Oh, and here's a bunny --with a waffle!

just in case pancakes are too boring...

[Salvation]

Peter didn’t want him to be crucified. Different situation. He was just expressing his dismay at the thought of a good friend being put to death.

How would you feel if your best friend said that he must go somewhere and then be put to death? Wouldn’t you say that he/she was nonsensical too?

[Salvation]

I think you have that backwards. Catholics post the truth; it’s the Protestants that attack.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

There are two choices:

1. Jesus revoked His previous statement.
2. Jesus lied.

[Salvation]

You are leaving Peter out of the picture.

Christ’s statement stands.

[Salvation]

Catholics do not try to convince you to change your ways (Proselytize). We merely post the truth and ask you to consider it.

On the contrary, I have had Protestant tell me to read the Bible (I do already.) and be saved. (I was saved by my Baptism of water and the Spirit.

So their exhortations fall on a mind that is totally satisfied with the truth as Christ taught it.

BTW, do you believe in the Eucharist as the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ?

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

It’s the part about bound on earth and in heaven.
It was revoked or a lie.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

It’s the part about bound on earth and in heaven.
It was revoked or a lie.

[BlueDragon]

Catholics do not try to convince you to change your ways (Proselytize). We merely post the truth and ask you to consider it.

I don't believe a word of the above. Sorry, I've been here too long. I know what happens...and I know that a significant amount of what Romanists call "truth" is not truth, but instead is distortion of it---as I (and many others) have taken pains to lay out in some detail on these pages, as to the how and why of it all...

Otherwise --no questions please...until you provide answer for why you tell Protestants (and others, anyone within earshot, actually) what they should believe.

Then, after that is taken under consideration, turn it around the other way, and tell us why Protestants (whoever the heck those people are) cannot do just as you, yourself do.

[NKP_Vet]

“Paul has good instruction about those who post threads like this - continually”.

Paul was speaking about protestants and other faiths that spread heresy. Paul was a Catholic, as were all the other followers of Christ.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

"Scripture existed outside the Catholic church and was Scripture long before the Catholic church was around to give it its stamp of approval. Scripture does not need the corrupt, immoral leadership of Catholicism to validate it. It stands on its own as the God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired word of God."

The Catholic Church examined and compiled the scriptures, sifted out the false gospels, and preserved the holy word from every form of attack centuries before Protestantism came on the scene.

If not for the Catholic Church, neither you, me, or anyone would have the scriptures.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

"Paul has good instruction about those who post threads like this - continually."

Both Catholics and Protestants post threads like this with great frequency. Why are you suddenly taking issue with it?

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

"If not for the Catholic Church, neither you, me, or anyone would have the scriptures."

I beg to differ here...... if not for the Protestant Reformation, the only Bible you and I would have would be the One in use before the Reformation, written (translated) in Latin so that the common man would not be able to read it himself, but rather would need the Catholic church Hierarchy to interpret it for him.

[delchiante]

Blue,
Simple basic truth..

they changed the sabbath..
they changed the calendar (and darn near the whole world follows it)..
they use a Greek/Latin transliteration and pawn that off as a real name for the Jewish Messiah.
if we are truthful and speak English, Joshua, a name in our bibles is His English transliterated name.(actually a name for an important Jew in the old testament) but hey, what’s in a name?

And if we want real truth, more protestants go right along with those ‘truths’ of the roman catholic church and accept them as their ‘truth’ because the whole world and our church fathers who came before us accepted them as their truth...

If the catholic church is what the reformers and many protestants believe it is in scripture, how is being an offspring and daugter of their foundation a good thing?

How much of that foundation do you feel comfortable standing on? I am not comfortable with any of it anymore..

With those basic truths they share, protestants in large numbers are right beside their mother on that foundation, never even contemplating or thinking about it- those are just worldwide ‘givens’ and their ‘truth’ too.. some protestants have made changes but they share one of those three usually..

Just some thoughts that can unify Catholics and Protestants...against me if nothing else :)

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

The scripture was compiled by the Church. Had the Church not compiled it, it would not exist today in the form it does.

"...written (translated) in Latin so that the common man would not be able to read it himself, but rather would need the Catholic church Hierarchy to interpret it for him."

Latin, English, or otherwise, how many of the "common man" do you think could read, period? England had a literacy rate of about 30% in the early 1600s IIRC (counting males only, for women it would have been even less.)

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

Seems like many many people did not trouble reading and understanding the Bible after it was translated into a language they understood. In fact that was the end of the “dark ages”.

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

The fact is that it was NOT the Catholic church that translated it into English..... it was done by the Protestant reformers.