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1 posted on 02/20/2014 5:24:30 PM PST by Gamecock
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2 posted on 02/20/2014 5:26:50 PM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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Sounds kinda Mormon..


4 posted on 02/20/2014 5:43:22 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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" which teaches people how to produce "spontaneous" baptisms among the repentant, is being criticized as "emotional manipulation."


5 posted on 02/20/2014 5:52:11 PM PST by GraceG
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It is recognition of emotional reality whether it is manipulation or not.

People respond more readily to something that is seen as socially appropriate. Others moving forward enables them to overcome any social embarrassment.

So, there is an emotional reality being addressed by this strategy.

If it is manipulation, then we need to address the household baptisms in the book of Acts when the leader of the household’s response led to others responding.

It became socially acceptable.

The same with the spread of Christianity when the conversion of the king led to other conversions, Ireland/Scotland/England giving examples.

Is it manipulation to respond to Christ because you have a follower’s mentality, but a friend or family member can be a leader who can enable you to overcome a social obstacle?


6 posted on 02/20/2014 5:52:52 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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“The Christian Post reached out to Elevation Church”

I’m seeing that NewSpeak “reached out” all over the place now. Is that, like, “telephoned for comment”?


7 posted on 02/20/2014 5:59:34 PM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Gamecock

mob psychology


10 posted on 02/20/2014 6:16:58 PM PST by Wuli
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What that makes me think of is
Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

Baptism is not to be trifled with.

12 posted on 02/20/2014 6:53:32 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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I’ve been studying the mind manipulation techniques used in religious settings for over twenty years. They are very common. I trained as a stage hypnotist in order to identify the process and know how to select the most suggestible individuals for demonstrations. It’s very easy to learn. I will never use the techniques and actually teach workshops on how they work and how to identify them.

I was very upset when the New Chapel Dean at Duke University who was formerly a professor of homiletics at Princeton started using these same techniques. I stopped attending his services.

The manipulation techniques are very common in black theology. Rev. Wright, Obama’s pastor is excellent at using them.

The difference between the real born again process and the fake one is the direction of surrender. In the fake process, the person surrenders externally to the suggestions of another individual. In the real process, they surrender within themselves to God.

Emotional manipulation is an excellent description of the process. The secret to trance induction is to first emotionally destabilize a person.


16 posted on 02/20/2014 8:31:35 PM PST by tired&retired
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The excellent Tony Miano posted this on his facebook. Quite a terrible thing to hear. It’s the union between “marketing” and “evangelism”, and the output is probably lots and lots of false converts.


18 posted on 02/20/2014 9:17:51 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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Reminds me of the faith healers “healing” those pretending to be sick.


51 posted on 02/22/2014 1:39:04 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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"As a church we pray Sun Stand Still prayers all the time. We are constantly asking God to do something that seems impossible and then believing that He is going to pull through," explains the introduction to the guide.

There's your problem right there.

Matthew 12:39

But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

58 posted on 02/22/2014 2:03:30 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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