Posted on 02/15/2014 10:52:59 AM PST by NKP_Vet
Feb. 14, 2014 (MonicaKelsey) - When someone says, "I am pro-life except in the case of rape or incest," they are using an oxymoron to describe themselves. This is in essence describing themselves as pro-choice and shows they have a lack of understanding of what being pro-life is truly about. Glenn Beck, who my husband listens to almost daily, is a good example of someone who is highly intelligent, but lacks the understanding of what it means to be pro-life with no exceptions. Let me explain.
First of all, let me tell you about who I am. I am a medic and a firefighter from Indiana. Four years ago at the age of 37 I reconnected with my birth mother, who placed me for adoption at birth. The information she entrusted me with the day we reconnected has changed the course of my life forever.
My birth mother was brutally raped at 17 and as a result became pregnant with me. But in 1972 my life was protected by a law that said that my life had value. And even though the law was in place, protecting me, my birth-mother succumbed to the pressure of carrying a child conceived out of rape and found herself at a back alley abortion clinic at the advice of her mother.
While standing in front of the man who was going to take my life, my birth mother changed her mind. She left this clinic and never looked back. Her mother hid her from the outside world. She gave birth to me and never even looked at me. But she gave me the greatest gift I have ever received, on top of my life. She gave me an amazing family. And for that I will forever be grateful.
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Here is another example of the ‘milk before meat’
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Oh there are tons of examples so...
It seems that scripture does not register with you for it is you who is being faultfinding endlessly and divisive and beside that you are miss using Milk before meat...
Your manner is so worldly maybe someday you will taste the sweet spirit of the Lord and when you do you will no longer want to engage to being divisive...
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Jesus said he who is with out sin cast the first stone?
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Ansell much to do about nothing...
Goodnight & Morning...
bye:)
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It’s Rueters.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/02/04/us-religion-mormons-baptism-idUSL0218416820070204
Radkey is sour grapes and I have no interest it is moot for now life goes on, the Pope might convert who knows it is his choice.
There is no wife all is well
need to go
So when a Pope is baptized and sealed in marriage in a temple ceremony by temple Mormons, it doesn't actually mean anything?
So those posts have to be pulled?
Do I keep getting signed out of my account for the last hour because of something on this thread, or is that a computer thing.
Does it being Reuters mean those posts had to be pulled?
Then you are pro choice, supporting abortion. I do not support abortion.
Liberals have changed the language, “what she chooses” and using rape as the argument for abortion, when in reality only a very, very small number of women get pregnant that way. You have bought into the liberal talking points on abortion.
If someone chooses to murder someone that is an inconvenience in their life, or reminds them of something horrible that has happened in their life, that is murder. Society does not condone it, does not say it is their choice and no one else’s business- in fact many have issues when they kill someone in self-defense and have to prove that was the case.
Abortion is murder as well unless it is self defense. Why is murdering a baby more acceptable than murdering anyone else?
“It’s her choice”
And you say you’re not pro-abortion? What do you think
the word “choice” means.
“Mormonism has no better friends than rank and file Catholics”
Mormans, like any other denomination, goes after people that are not very devoted to their faith, and that includes any faith, not just Catholics, so knock it off with the Catholic bashing.
Catholic and Mormans are light-years apart in their beliefs.
But not for goofballs like Beck who thinks you can’t quit drinking unless you become a morman. He has always been an odd-ball and still is.
“Also, Mormons have lifted Catholic moral teaching nearly intact, so there are lots of points of agreement”.
Not on abortion.
Now put this one in Ripley’s Believe It Or Not.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/02/04/us-religion-mormons-baptism-idUSL0218416820070204
Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Genghis Khan, Mao Zedong, King Herod, Al Capone and Mickey Mouse have all appeared for a short time in the International Genealogical Index for proxy baptisms, said Helen Radkey, a researcher specialized in the IGI.
Why do you assume her choice is going to be to abort?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/choice?s=t
choice [chois] Show IPA
noun
1.
an act or instance of choosing; selection: Her choice of a computer was made after months of research. His parents were not happy with his choice of friends.
2.
the right, power, or opportunity to choose; option: The child had no choice about going to school.
3.
the person or thing chosen or eligible to be chosen: This book is my choice. He is one of many choices for the award.
4.
an alternative: There is another choice.
5.
an abundance or variety from which to choose: a wide choice of candidates.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/abortion?s=t
a·bor·tion [uh-bawr-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
Also called voluntary abortion. the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy.
2.
any of various surgical methods for terminating a pregnancy, especially during the first six months.
3.
Also called spontaneous abortion. miscarriage ( def 1 ) .
4.
an immature and nonviable fetus.
5.
abortus ( def 2b ) .
Choice is a different word from abortion. Since you don’t seem to know their meanings, I’ve listed them for you. Pay particular attention to definition #2 of choice.
You may want to study them and learn their meanings, because the fact of the matter is that it’s her choice, and it’s going to remain so.
So I suggest you learn to accomplish your goal within that parameter, because you aren’t going to change it.
I see. So, since it's such a small number it's okay to deny them their right to consent in a manner quite similar to how the man who raped them denied them their opportunity to consent.
I'm not okay with that, and I never will be.
Abortion is murder as well unless it is self defense. Why is murdering a baby more acceptable than murdering anyone else?
I never said it was okay, Tammy.
What I said was if you want to affect their decision on this, which is important because that decision is the only decision that matters, then you are going to have to convince them that it's not the right thing to do.
I have told you how to change this situation. I could just as easily tell you that you are pro-abortion, because you are ignoring the only possible solution you have and calling me names for telling you what the only solution that you have is.
So knock it off, it's annoying.
I don’t know the details, the whole story seems bogus, the wife name is factitious etc.
My suggestion Ansell is it seems this is very important to you, you keep dwelling on this story news reports now days always seem to get things scrambled, so go to the nearest local Family History Center in your area and asked them.
I do not have that calling to keep FH records.
Again many here like to play word games no matter how many time they are told it is a vicarious gift to another maybe even to a stranger who lived very long ago.
Many LDS take time out of their busy life to think of others, so they have the opportunity or an option to either accept the gift when they are prepared to receive, or chose otherwise either way the work is done.
Jesus Atonement was done for all those who lived in the past and those at the time, and those yet to be born a vicarious gift is waiting there for all His Children who would have had they tarred, and those not yet born.
So when a person is baptized in a temple ceremony vicariously in the temple it doesn’t actually mean anything?
This is the question you should have asked Ansell milk before meat because you do not understand and took a world report as factual.
When the vicariously temple work is done in a orderly fashion for that person no one always knows, if the gift was accepted or not.
If that person was not married in this life when they died, no one from this side can claim another and marry them, it does not work that way according to my understanding you can only be sealed to someone that you were already married too while living.
Again this is why milk before meat for those who are dull and do not listen let alone follow the Lord’s counsel.
Some here are like babes with tommy guns have no clue what they are doing just fire in any direction...
Some of my Christian friends gave me that metaphor because of certain Christians they encounter in their life who go off half cocked.
1 Cor. 3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
Hebrew 5
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
I would also like to say I am a lay person and only speak from limited understanding in this area.
I never said “the murder of another innocent child doesn’t matter”, you did.
No, I didn't say that, I asked you the question, And the murder of another innocent child doesn't matter, is that it? . You apparently can't answer a simple question. What a woman thinks about bearing her rapists child I suppose does matter to a point, but in the final analysis if that leads to the death of an innocent child, that's still murder. And you still never answered my original question.
So you answer my original question...does the murder of an innocent child matter (regardless of the circumstances of conception)?
“Why do you assume her choice is going to be to abort”
Because everything you have posted is giving the WOMAN the right to chose what she wants to do with the baby. You have never mentioned the baby’s “right” to live. So if the woman is the only one with a right to chose whatever she wants for “her body” (ignoring the baby’s basic right to live”0, she can certainly chose to kill the baby.
For me no person has the right to take another’s when that person has done them no harm. The way the child was conceived is irrelevant. It has the same right to live as the rest of us.
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