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To: vladimir998; JLLH; metmom
"You might want to read Augustine’s A Treatise on Final Perseverance, chapters 6-9. The most logical thing to ask - right out of the gate, is why such a phrase as “final perseverance” is needed if OSAS is true."

OSAS, in the modern context, is not true, which many take to mean that a person who made a public confession, and then goes off to renounce Christianity, is saved. Final perseverance is true, which states that the elect can never fall away, and only the elect can ever persevere, as the Grace of God is what differentiates them from others. An elect person might fall away for a time, but God always brings them back, and conforms them, through the sanctification of the Spirit, into the image of His Son. There is no treatise on 'Final perseverance." You are referring to the book I already quoted from, which is the treatise on the "gift" of perseverance. The word gift is significant.

Here's a second quote, just because I like to torment Papists:

"From a human perspective it is inscrutable why, given two pious men, one should be given the grace of final perseverance and the other not. From a divine perspective it must be the case that the individual who perseveres is among the predestined while the other is not. The one who fails to persevere has not been called according to God's plan and chosen in Christ according to God's purpose." (Augustine, Treatise on the Gift of Perseverance)

77 posted on 02/16/2014 2:32:23 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I believe the Papists look as Augustine as the crazy Church Father in the attic.


80 posted on 02/16/2014 2:43:34 PM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

http://www.amazon.com/TREATISE-ON-THE-GIFT-PERSEVERANCE-ebook/dp/B00668QP0Y


83 posted on 02/16/2014 3:12:07 PM PST by vladimir998
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