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Christian School Drops Nickname – Cites “Offensive” to Muslims
http://www.conservativeinfidel.com ^ | Wednesday, February 12th, 2014 | Rick Wells

Posted on 02/12/2014 9:14:01 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK

In a globalist, politically correct system of government, where any minority is given preferential status over the majority, especially a Christian majority, some things just have to change. That is the case with having a school mascot and nickname of “Crusaders.”

How could a Christian school expect to get away with a mascot that is not Sharia compliant in the first place?

The school, Maranatha Baptist University in Wisconsin has announced they will drop their old name, but haven’t yet determined.

The Crusades were so long ago, and with the increasing pressure to accommodate Islam in all aspects of American society, they might as well go ahead and get it over with. Besides, what relevance could a fight by Christians against a Muslim jihad sweeping across their continent possibly have in today’s world?

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TOPICS: Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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To: CynicalBear
ROFLOL!!! That’s one creative distortion of scripture for sure! It totally does NOT work however. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
201 posted on 02/18/2014 7:51:46 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: Elsie

You’re kidding yourself.


202 posted on 02/18/2014 7:52:01 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: af_vet_1981
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Well, you're wrong right from the get go with that mistranslated verse in Genesis.

What is says is ...

Genesis 3:15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”

It's CHRIST whose heel is bruised and who does the bruising, not Mary.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs when the Catholic church has to mistranslate Scripture to support it's Mariology.

204 posted on 02/18/2014 8:22:16 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: af_vet_1981
For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Matthew 11:11 http://biblehub.com/text/matthew/11-11.htm

The Greek does not use the word *prophet*.

205 posted on 02/18/2014 8:41:10 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: af_vet_1981

That certainly describes Catholics.


206 posted on 02/19/2014 5:59:14 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

If it wasn’t for the barbaric acts of Islam, the crusades never would have happened!


207 posted on 02/19/2014 6:01:20 AM PST by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: metmom
For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. Matthew 11:11 http://biblehub.com/text/matthew/11-11.htm The Greek does not use the word *prophet*.

I was not aware you knew Greek, nor that you did recognize this Scripture. It is Luke 7: My tablet's fonts are deficient but you can read the Greek here and confirm that Jesus did, in fact, use the word for prophet and that it was recorded in Greek.


208 posted on 02/19/2014 6:15:09 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: metmom
Well, you're wrong right from the get go with that mistranslated verse in Genesis. What is says is ... Genesis 3:15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” It's CHRIST whose heel is bruised and who does the bruising, not Mary. It's a pretty sad state of affairs when the Catholic church has to mistranslate Scripture to support it's Mariology.

I did not realize you are a translator, or perhaps you, or your denomination/sect, do not accept the KJV, which is what I post from unless otherwise noted.
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

209 posted on 02/19/2014 6:31:32 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: af_vet_1981

Some texts have *prophet* in them, others do not.

I am not a Greek scholar but with resources available on the internet, ANYONE can look up what they need in the original Greek and see what it says.

Nevertheless, Matthew 11 does not include the word *prophet*.

So while certain texts can support that John is the greatest of the prophets, Matthew supports that he is greatest of ALL.

And for the record, if John is the greatest of all people, he is also by default the greatest of all prophets.

There is still no justification for exalting Mary to the status of a god as the Catholic church has done. Even your own CCC gives Mary capitalized titles that belong to God.


210 posted on 02/19/2014 7:00:07 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: af_vet_1981; aMorePerfectUnion

Hey, ampu, you may be interested in this discussion.


211 posted on 02/19/2014 7:01:19 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

This group played at The One’s inauguration. I’m surprised they were allowed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Crusaders_Drum_and_Bugle_Corps

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212 posted on 02/19/2014 7:07:56 AM PST by Mears
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Fast forward a hundred years from now, when high schools will have “Jihadists” for their team names.


213 posted on 02/19/2014 7:09:02 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: af_vet_1981
It is an interesting discussion of Genesis 3:15.

Mary does not crush Satan's head. The seed of Eve, Christ, crushes his head. Obviously, God used Mary (who is part of the line of Eve) to carry and nurture Jesus. Christ, the seed, crushes Satan.

Rather than create this myself, I am going to post the notes from the NET Bible concerning this passage. All can read and think about it.

Notes for 3:15 [https://bible.org/netbible/ - good resource, continually updated online]

40 tn The Hebrew word translated “hostility” is derived from the root אֵיב (’ev, “to be hostile, to be an adversary [or enemy]”). The curse announces that there will be continuing hostility between the serpent and the woman. The serpent will now live in a “battle zone,” as it were. 41 sn The Hebrew word translated “offspring” is a collective singular. The text anticipates the ongoing struggle between human beings (the woman’s offspring) and deadly poisonous snakes (the serpent’s offspring). An ancient Jewish interpretation of the passage states: “He made the serpent, cause of the deceit, press the earth with belly and flank, having bitterly driven him out. He aroused a dire enmity between them. The one guards his head to save it, the other his heel, for death is at hand in the proximity of men and malignant poisonous snakes.” See Sib. Or. 1:59–64. For a similar interpretation see Josephus, Ant. 1.1.4 (1.50-51).

42 tn Heb “he will attack [or “bruise”] you [on] the head.” The singular pronoun and verb agree grammatically with the collective singular noun “offspring.” For other examples of singular verb and pronominal forms being used with the collective singular “offspring,” see Gen 16:10; 22:17; 24:60. The word “head” is an adverbial accusative, locating the blow. A crushing blow to the head would be potentially fatal.

43 tn Or “but you will…”; or “as they attack your head, you will attack their heel.” The disjunctive clause (conjunction + subject + verb) is understood as contrastive. Both clauses place the subject before the verb, a construction that is sometimes used to indicate synchronic action (see Judg 15:14).

44 sn You will attack her offspring’s heel. Though the conflict will actually involve the serpent’s offspring (snakes) and the woman’s offspring (human beings), v. 15b for rhetorical effect depicts the conflict as being between the serpent and the woman’s offspring, as if the serpent will outlive the woman. The statement is personalized for the sake of the addressee (the serpent) and reflects the ancient Semitic concept of corporate solidarity, which emphasizes the close relationship between a progenitor and his offspring. Note Gen 28:14, where the LORD says to Jacob, “Your offspring will be like the dust of the earth, and you [second masculine singular] will spread out in all directions.” Jacob will “spread out” in all directions through his offspring, but the text states the matter as if this will happen to him personally.

45 tn Heb “you will attack him [on] the heel.” The verb (translated “attack”) is repeated here, a fact that is obscured by some translations (e.g., NIV “crush…strike”). The singular pronoun agrees grammatically with the collective singular noun “offspring.” For other examples of singular verb and pronominal forms being used with the collective singular “offspring,” see Gen 16:10; 22:17; 24:60. The word “heel” is an adverbial accusative, locating the blow. A bite on the heel from a poisonous serpent is potentially fatal.

sn The etiological nature of v. 15 is apparent, though its relevance for modern western man is perhaps lost because we rarely come face to face with poisonous snakes. Ancient Israelites, who often encountered snakes in their daily activities (see, for example, Eccl 10:8; Amos 5:19), would find the statement quite meaningful as an explanation for the hostility between snakes and humans. (In the broader ancient Near Eastern context, compare the Mesopotamian serpent omens. See H. W. F. Saggs, The Greatness That Was Babylon, 309.) This ongoing struggle, when interpreted in light of v. 15, is a tangible reminder of the conflict introduced into the world by the first humans’ rebellion against God. Many Christian theologians (going back to Irenaeus) understand v. 15 as the so-called protevangelium, supposedly prophesying Christ’s victory over Satan (see W. Witfall, “Genesis 3:15 – a Protevangelium?” CBQ 36 [1974]: 361-65; and R. A. Martin, “The Earliest Messianic Interpretation of Genesis 3:15, ” JBL 84 [1965]: 425-27). In this allegorical approach, the woman’s offspring is initially Cain, then the whole human race, and ultimately Jesus Christ, the offspring (Heb “seed”) of the woman (see Gal 4:4). The offspring of the serpent includes the evil powers and demons of the spirit world, as well as those humans who are in the kingdom of darkness (see John 8:44). According to this view, the passage gives the first hint of the gospel. Satan delivers a crippling blow to the Seed of the woman (Jesus), who in turn delivers a fatal blow to the Serpent (first defeating him through the death and resurrection [1 Cor 15:55–57] and then destroying him in the judgment [Rev 12:7–9; 20:7–10]). However, the grammatical structure of Gen 3:15b does not suggest this view. The repetition of the verb “attack,” as well as the word order, suggests mutual hostility is being depicted, not the defeat of the serpent. If the serpent’s defeat were being portrayed, it is odd that the alleged description of his death comes first in the sentence. If he has already been crushed by the woman’s “Seed,” how can he bruise his heel? To sustain the allegorical view, v. 15b must be translated in one of the following ways: “he will crush your head, even though you attack his heel” (in which case the second clause is concessive) or “he will crush your head as you attack his heel” (the clauses, both of which place the subject before the verb, may indicate synchronic action).

Biblical Studies Press. (2006). The NET Bible First Edition Notes (Ge 3:15). Biblical Studies Press.

214 posted on 02/19/2014 8:02:09 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: af_vet_1981

15 And I will put hostility
between you and between the woman,
and between your offsprings and between her offspring;t
he will strike you on the head,
and you will strike him on the heel.”

Harris, W. H., III, Ritzema, E., Brannan, R., Mangum, D., Dunham, J., Reimer, J. A., & Wierenga, M. (Eds.). (2012). The Lexham English Bible (Ge 3:15). Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.

This may be simpler. This is how the passage is laid out grammatically - though I do not know if it will format correctly when I paste it...

God speaks this to the Serpent. He moves from Hostility between Eve and the Serpent to an expanding conflice between the Seed of Eve and the Seed of the Serpent. This conflict will culminate when the Seed of the Serpent strikes the Seed of Eve on the heel, but the Seed of Eve crushes the head of the seed of the Serpent.

Which is probably more than anyone wants to know...


215 posted on 02/19/2014 8:14:34 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: metmom
There is still no justification for exalting Mary to the status of a god as the Catholic church has done.

Your comment is a false accusation, and heretical on its face. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

216 posted on 02/19/2014 8:39:20 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: metmom
Nevertheless, Matthew 11 does not include the word *prophet*.
    Your argument is circular; what do you mean:
  1. Are you denying the Greek Textus Receptus of Luke ?
  2. Are you denying Yeshua used the Hebrew or Aramaic word for prophet and Luke got it wrong ?
  3. Are you asserting that Jesus said the same words twice, once without prophet and once with prophet, and that the gospels of Matthew and Luke recorded different utterances ?

217 posted on 02/19/2014 8:46:35 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Mary does not crush Satan's head. The seed of Eve, Christ, crushes his head. Obviously, God used Mary (who is part of the line of Eve) to carry and nurture Jesus. Christ, the seed, crushes Satan.

Miriam (we who love her can call her Miriam), is the seed of Eve, the new Eve who stood against the adversary in the power of the Holy Spirit, who in meekness of spirit submitted herself to God as a chosen vessel and carried, bore, nurtured, believed, and stood faithful by her son Yeshua, who is the Son of God. She is Israel, the very Israel of God, and no one will separate her from Him or from us. In Him and by Him we are one, and in that unity we may all crush the head of the serpent, so to speak.

218 posted on 02/20/2014 6:23:25 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: af_vet_1981
"She is Israel, the very Israel of God, and no one will separate her from Him or from us."

... Not in Scripture. Israel is Israel. Mary is Mary. God has a plan for each. Don't make her more than God did. She was blessed "among" women - not better than other women or men. She remained a fallen human being God favored with His grace, who recognized her own need for a Savior and accepted Him. She will be in heaven on exactly the same basis as any believer in Christ.

"the new Eve who stood against the adversary in the power of the Holy Spirit"

... Biblical references for each claim please, FRiend?

"In Him and by Him we are one, and in that unity we may all crush the head of the serpent, so to speak."

... Not if by that you make Christ's role less. We are certainly all SEED, if we entrust ourselves to Him alone for salvation.

219 posted on 02/20/2014 7:30:02 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
She is Israel, the very Israel of God, and no one will separate her from Him or from us." ... Not in Scripture. Israel is Israel. ...

Miriam is the elect of Israel, the Virgin of Israel, and the woman in Genesis (Notice Luke 3 gives her lineage back to Adam and Eve) and Revelation (where she is personified as the Israel of God or, if you will, the Israel of God is personified as her) because the LORD chose her as a special servant, and because she believed and obeyed. I'm always surprised (I know by now I should be used to it) by what I perceive as an inferiority complex in those (not necessarly you) who want to deny and bring the saints of God down to their level instead of being inspired by their examples of faith and works to gird up your loins to overcome. In the case of Miriam there is nothing the adversary can do to separate her, from the love of God which is in her son Messiah Yeshua, nor from Klal Israel, nor from the Church of God. She is the LORD's humble servant, filled with the Holy Spirit. She doesn't need a throne but don't be offended if she, and the Jewish Apostles, are offered thrones (and don't be surprised if they try to decline them). She is God's work of redemption, his handmaiden, humble and faithful. Trough her testimony and example, which is in Scripture, the Holy Spirit always points sinners to Yeshua, who is her son (if they have ears to hear).


220 posted on 02/20/2014 8:48:34 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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