Posted on 01/25/2014 12:55:13 PM PST by ebb tide
May God bless him and you and Don-o and all of yours.
It’s called “gaydar”.
A different Church *is* forming before our eyes.
The sooner we wake up, the better.
I say "it seems" and "apparently" because I don't know how to evaluate these Italian press sources. You'll notice if you google phrases, that a good many of them have the same original source (they all repeat identical phrases and sentences in the same order) ---- which suggests it isn't, say, 200 sources, but one source being recycled 200 times.
However, as an American, and of course as a Catholic, I must deem a person innocent absent evidence to the contrary. I know you understand that.
Rash judgment, detraction and slander are so epidemic against Catholics, and so poisonously destructive, that I am becoming much more vigilant about it.
Detraction is something I have been guilty of, and have confessed, and it's no a "minor" sin. It's a killer.
I’m sorry?
Since, if I understand you correctly, "their" means "Modernist apostates'", I'd have to ask you to refrain from saying such things with a certainty you cannot possess. You could phrase it as "Is he one of their own?" Or "Is he being deceived and led astray by these apostates?" Or "One can wonder whether..."
I'm not advising being devious and equivocating in speech. I am advising justice in speech, which conforms to what is known.
It’s also called “rash judgment.” You could look it up.
God bless you too, Black Elk. If I may ask, pray for me.
Well, it seems you were the one who made the rash judgement (against me), not I against Ricca. Think about that.
Excellent! You said what many of us would like to say, and you said it well.
Some of the highlights of his brief pontificate:
Let's start with who's in and who's out.
-Cardinal Wuerl in, Cardinal Burke out. For those keeping score, Wuerl is a notorious "liberal" and Cardinal Burke was the most conservative and orthodox Cardinal in North America.
-In: Cardinal "Müller needs to “be a bit more flexible” Maradiaga. Scolded Muller for holding the line on church teaching regarding communion for divorced and illicitly remarried Catholics.
And then there's Cardinal O'Malley. His coddling and promoting of homosexual priests is certainly no secret, nor is his admiration for the Kennedys and his link with Obama fundraiser Jack Connors.
Some info about Jack, FYI:
"Connors once described his first meeting with Obama before a fundraiser in Chatham, Massachusetts. “I got in the car with him, kind of took the measure of him, and he did the same to me,” Connors told the Boston Globe. “By the time we got to Chatham, we were both smitten.”
The fundraisers were the latest barb for area Catholic activists, who have decried Connors’ simultaneous ties with the Archdiocese of Boston and the progressive political and social world – including the abortion industry.
Among Connors’ philanthropic projects is the Connors Center for Women’s Health, which The Globe described as his favorite among Connors Family Foundation beneficiaries “closest to the family’s heart”: it was named after Connors’ mother, Mary Horrigan Connors, and is where his eight grandchildren were born.
At the helm of the Connors Center is its co-founder Paula A. Johnson, a former chairman of the board for the Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, who also served on the board for the Center for Reproductive Rights. When the HHS mandate for free birth control began this month, the Connors Center celebrated the news and Johnson appeared on local media as an expert touting the mandate’s benefits: Johnson herself was a member of the Institutes of Medicine Committee that recommended the contraception mandate to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius in 2011.
Among the Connors Centers’ top goals is “training the next generation of leaders in the field of women’s health,” including future abortion providers: its Family Planning Fellowship, led by abortionist and Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts (PPLM) head researcher Alisa Goldberg, partners with PPLM to offer a nationally-recognized two-year program to “improve access to, and the quality of, pregnancy termination services through research and training.” The Center’s only other fellowship, the Global Women’s Health Fellowship, was expected to merge with the Family Planning Fellowship as of 2009.
Who can honestly deny that the pope is deliberately surrounding himself with advisors who are "partisans of error"? Should we just bury our heads in the sand and pretend this is not the case?
Pope Francis: "Those that are Christian, with the Bible, and those that are Muslim, with the Quran. The faith that your parents instilled in you will always help you move on.”
Anyone who puts the Bible on par with the Koran while disdaining gifts of Rosary Bouquets is a partisan of error.
This list does not even include the multiple bizarre statements of his that have had to be parsed and explained (more so than any other pope in memory).
Many Catholics who have eyes to see are concerned about the direction and emphasis of this pontificate. For those who think things are going well, I guess we have a difference of opinion.
Great post! Thanks.
It is morally perilous on all our parts, to be so frequently speculating on and broadcasting others' sins, bolstered by nothing but an Italian gossip weekly like L'Espresso, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the major left wing newspaper in Italy, la Repubblica.
A charge of this sort is defamatory, and nobody needs to hear it except the man's superior, the board of bank regulators (if Ricca is exposed to blackmail), or --- if is a criminal matter --- the police.
If anyone makes a defaming charge without need (and what need is there for me or for you, ebb tide?) and without moral certainty, I would hope we would both be grateful for correction.
I repeat: I know with certainty that Ricca has been in homo relations. You already admitted you’ve seen the evidence. You were were wrong about Kennedy’s annulment and you’re wrong about Ricca. And you’re
wrong to accuse me of slander.
Did you and Pope Benedict know with moral certainty that Marcial Maciel was a sexual pervert? Did you or Pope Benedict personally witness Maciel’s indiscretions? If not, why are you not accusing Pope Benedict of slander against Marciel?
Something you and I do not have access too.
Not only that, but he had supervisory authority over the Church. Which is not, fortunately, true of you and me.
Thanks be to God.
The intimacy of the relations between Ricca and Haari was so open as to scandalize numerous bishops, priests, and laity of that little South American country, not last the sisters who attended to the nunciature.
The new nuncio, Janusz Bolonek of Poland, who arrived in Montevideo at the beginning of 2000, also found that “ménage” intolerable immediately, and informed the Vatican authorities about it, insisting repeatedly to Haari that he should leave. But to no use, given his connections with Ricca.
In early 2001 Ricca also got into a scrape over his reckless conduct. One day, having gone as on other occasions - in spite of the warnings he had received - to Bulevar Artigas, to a meeting place for homosexuals, he was beaten and had to call some priests to take him back to the nunciature, with his face swollen.
In August of 2001, another mishap. In the middle of the night the elevator of the nunciature got stuck and in the early morning the firemen had to come. They found trapped in the car, together with Monsignor Ricca, a young man who was identified by the police authorities.
Nuncio Bolonek asked that Ricca be sent away from the nunciature and Haari fired immediately. And he got the go-ahead from the secretary of state, Cardinal Angelo Sodano.
Ricca, dragging his heels, was transferred to the nunciature of Trinidad and Tobago, where he remained until 2004. There as well he butted heads with the nuncio. Finally to be called to the Vatican and removed from diplomatic service on the ground.
As for Haari, in the process of leaving the nunciature he demanded that some of his luggage be sent to the Vatican as diplomatic baggage, to the address of Monsignor Ricca. Nuncio Bolonek refused, and the luggage ended up in a building outside of the nunciature. Where it remained for a few years, until from Rome Ricca said that he didn’t want to have anything to do with it anymore.
Once the luggage was opened to get rid of its contents - as decided by the nuncio Bolonek - a pistol was found in it, which was handed over to the Uruguayan authorities, and in addition to personal effects, an enormous quantity of condoms and pornographic material.
http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350561?eng=y
Ricca’s public indiscretions are no more “clerical gossip” than Maciel’s indiscretions.
One good pope acted on the latter’s, the current pope ignores the former’s.
-------------------------
July 22, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Uruguay's largest-circulation newspaper, El País, is reporting that local sources within the Catholic Church have confirmed recent reports regarding the past homosexual conduct of the pope's recent appointment to lead the troubled "Vatican bank," the Institute for the Works of Religion (IOR). The sources consulted by the newspaper appear to strongly confirm claims made by the Italian newspaper L'Espresso that Monsignor Battista Ricca, a former Vatican diplomat, was well-known for homosexual conduct during his interim management of the Holy See's diplomatic office in Uruguay from 1999 to 2001. Sources within the Catholic Church in Uruguay told El Pais that "it's totally true," in the words of the newspaper. The newspaper added that the unnamed sources "believed that this person could only have been recommended to the pope for a post in bad faith." The newspaper also indicates that the general secretary of the Uruguayan bishops' conference, Bishop Heriberto Bodeant, has accepted the reports as true, and speculates that "perhaps there was a change in attitude or he was simply careful and didn't cause more trouble." "Apparently the only time that something came out was here," said Bodeant, according to El Pais. "If he was asked to change his conduct, either he did it or he took care not to create more scandalous situations, (and) that permitted him to continue in the Church." One of Rome’s best-known Vaticanisti (reporters specializing in the Vatican) Sandro Magister staked his 25-year career on a blockbuster report naming Ricca as having been sexually involved with a man during his time at the nunciature in Uruguay (1999). According to the report, Ricca caused further scandal by insisting that this friend of his be given a job and room at the nunciature. Magister writes that the nuncio there reported the situation to Vatican authorities but the situation remained. Magister adds that after subsequent scandals involved with his sex life, Ricca was transferred first to the nunciature of Trinidad and Tobago, where he remained until 2004. And from there he was moved to the Vatican where in 2006 he was placed in charge of the houses where bishops reside on their visits to Rome, including the residence where Pope Francis now lives. Magister said that the information was concealed from Francis in what is “the cruelest and most subtle deception since he was elected pope.” Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi has responded to the reports by L'Espresso and its highly respected reporter, Sandro Magister, claiming the reports "aren't credible." L'Espresso, replied to Fr. Lombardi’s comments saying: "It can be added that the Vatican authorities, instead of making up improbable and ad-lib denials, could verify the trustworthiness of all that was published by L'Espresso by simply consulting the exhaustive documentation in their possession on the affair, in particular that related to his time in the Montevideo nunciature. Further documentation is available from the Uruguayan authorities, from security forces to fire brigades. Not to mention the numerous bishops, priests, religious, laymen in Uruguay who were direct witnesses of the scandal and are ready to speak."
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.