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The Holy Trinity: Sound Doctrine or a Man-Made Tradition?
ArticleSeen.com ^ | Aug-28-2011 | Steve-O

Posted on 01/12/2014 7:49:32 PM PST by restornu

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To: GarySpFc; Utah Binger

ART mentioned


721 posted on 01/17/2014 12:37:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Really? You certain?


722 posted on 01/17/2014 12:42:27 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Your camera is too close to them and has a wide angle lens.

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When yer in Bluff, ya just GOTTA stop at the Twin Rocks Café and have a juicy cheesburger made with Navajo fry bread.

Absolutely delightful!!!

The waitresses are GREAT!

723 posted on 01/17/2014 12:44:03 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger

Now now... ;^)


724 posted on 01/17/2014 1:05:05 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
You can see this old truck in GoogleEarth® at...

037° 17' 11.21"
109° 32' 47.32"



Up on top of the bluff, you can see all kinds of river washed gravel; rounded from being tumbled in the ancient San Juan river just to the south.



(Use the 360 view icon about 1/4 mile east of the café)

725 posted on 01/17/2014 1:16:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
You can see this old truck in GoogleEarth® at...

037° 17' 11.21"
109° 32' 47.32"



Up on top of the bluff, you can see all kinds of river washed gravel; rounded from being tumbled in the ancient San Juan river just to the south.



(Use the 360 view icon about 1/4 mile east of the café)

726 posted on 01/17/2014 1:16:46 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; restornu
Simple. If we knew the names of the “translators” of the NWT, we could look it up and see what their qualifications would be to be a translator.

Nah; as restornu likes to say... "by their fruits", the RESULT of their 'work' should speak for itself!

Anything else would be an 'appeal to authority'.

727 posted on 01/17/2014 1:20:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Cheap digital Nikon camera.


728 posted on 01/17/2014 1:36:14 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Utah Binger

Guaranteed to make a pro artist’s eyes bleed. ;-D


729 posted on 01/17/2014 1:36:38 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: GarySpFc

***Frank McCarthy’s work.***

Excellent artist. I used to have a book of his work published back in the early 1970s. I also had a book of Fred Harmon’s work.

Lost them both in the 1976 Tulsa flood, along with lots of other art books. Bummer.


730 posted on 01/17/2014 1:41:45 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Elsie

No, I recognize the irrelevant quite easily.


731 posted on 01/17/2014 1:46:15 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Cheap digital Nikon camera.

Nothing wrong with that.

If you have access to a Photoshop® or PaintShopPro® program, you can compensate for most of the big effects.

Centering on the frame is the first step.

Getting back as far as possible will tend to flatten out the image in the camera.

(Punch/pinch can minimize the bulge in the center of the frame)

No flash or off camera flash keeps the glare from bouncing back at you.


Enjoy!

732 posted on 01/17/2014 1:47:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger

I just STILL can’t find Waldo!!

https://s3.amazonaws.com/32auctions_prod_images/pics/1167363/intruders.jpg?20131203203940


733 posted on 01/17/2014 1:49:17 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger

Beautiful!!



Is this the Virgin?

734 posted on 01/17/2014 1:50:44 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

A translation should be judged on it’s own merits. Simple.


735 posted on 01/17/2014 2:32:41 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Elsie

That picture was taken by a little Binger age 45, who is an Intel Executive and a photography freak. He was here two weeks ago. That is indeed the Virgin River as it flows out of Zion National Park. He came here the weekend before CES opened in Vegas.

That morning he got up at 6:00 am to go to that spot at first light. Nice we are 12 miles east of Zion.


736 posted on 01/17/2014 3:13:35 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; Elsie
Always welcome here. It is the spirit and passion of art that matters.

Check this out

737 posted on 01/17/2014 3:24:08 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: count-your-change; Ruy Dias de Bivar; Colofornian; All

“A translation should be judged on it’s own merits. Simple.”


But your committee only had one guy who even had even a rudimentary understanding of what he was claiming to do, while we have centuries of Doctors who would regard the merits of this work to be but trash.

Note this. Raymond Franz, former member of the Governing Body, says:

“Fred Franz (Raymond Franz’s uncle, who later became WBTS President), however, was the only one with sufficient knowledge of the Bible languages to attempt translation of this kind. He had studied Greek for two years in the University of Cincinnati but was only self-taught in Hebrew” (Crisis of Conscience, 50).

So you want us to believe that this loser trumps 2,000 years of Christianity, and that anyone who disagrees with him is “mentally diseased,” as they put down in their original “translation” of 1 Tim

“If any man teaches other doctrine and does not assent to the healthful words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, nor to the teaching that accords with godly devotion, he is puffed up [with pride], not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words. From these things spring envy, strife, abusive speeches, wicked suspicions.” – 1 Tim 6:3,4 New World Translation

Note the words “MENTALLY DISEASED”. Here it is in practice:

“An article published in July’s edition of The Watchtower warns followers to stay clear of “false teachers” who are condemned as being “mentally diseased” apostates who should be avoided at all costs. “Suppose that a doctor told you to avoid contact with someone who is infected with a contagious, deadly disease,” the article reads. “You would know what the doctor means, and you would strictly heed his warning. Well, apostates are ‘mentally diseased’, and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/war-of-words-breaks-out-among-jehovahs-witnesses-2361448.html

Though the latest edition of the NWT has changed the offending phrase to:

“He is obsessed with arguments and debates about words.”

Maybe Franz should have stayed in school so he didn’t make mistakes like that, eh?

Dunno about you, but I’ll rather stick with people who don’t hide their names in order to avoid criticism and accountability for their “translation” choices.


738 posted on 01/17/2014 4:19:28 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Elsie
I jumped in that river back in 1998. It was so cold I thought I was going to freeze! And that was in August!

If I had known about the Thunderbird Foundation I would have stopped by for some coffee, but that was before I had internet, or a FReeper.

The only other Utah river I was in was the Colorado back in 1955, Moab.

739 posted on 01/17/2014 4:57:53 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I dunno, maybe give the translation team for the NWT constructive credit to make up the lack of formal education. It is quite possible they too had a “seer stone” like Joe.


740 posted on 01/17/2014 5:32:11 PM PST by redleghunter
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