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Are Racist LDS Scriptures Still Deemed “Utterly Reliable” and “Pure Truth”? Part 1
Mormon Coffee (Mormonism Research Ministry) ^ | Jan. 6, 2014 | Lynn K. Wilder

Posted on 01/06/2014 3:53:42 PM PST by Colofornian

In the recently released statement on lds.org on Race and the Priesthood, the modern Mormon Church disavows “that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else…” This unequivocal truth, that no race or ethnicity is superior to another, is something that Spain (1542), Quakers (1600s), Pennsylvania (1790), England (1807), Abraham Lincoln (1865), and Christians of any era who believe the Bible, know. According to the Bible, God shows no favoritism—never by skin color—and commands his people to do the same.

Lincoln, who often quoted the biblical God, was displeased with the Utah Territory for its stance as a slave territory (and for its polygamy). Finally in 1978, 113 years after Lincoln and 24 years after Brown vs. Board of Education, the Mormon Church gave black members of African ancestry (why not restrict Native Americans—they were the unrighteous dark-skinned Lamanites of the Book of Mormon?) equal access to the priesthood, ergo its Celestial kingdom, eternal life, and the potential for godhood.

As a professor at Brigham Young University (1999-2008), I taught, among other things—multiculturalism. In class, some of my generational LDS students proposed that those with black skin were blighted with something they called “the curse of Cain.” Alarmed by this belief, I began to investigate LDS scriptures on the topic and discovered scriptural support in the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price corroborating students’ beliefs.

Because these scriptures still exist, are read, and revered, the lingering conundrum for the Mormon Church is this: How to explain the 20-some passages of LDS scripture that can be considered racist. So, this new attempt to state a non-biased position on race, which falls short of an apology, ignores the challenge of present-day scriptures.

As well intended as the latest words on the official church website are, they can affect no real change in policy or teachings because these scriptures remain. Why call these scriptures racist? The definition of racist is the belief that some races of people are better than others because of their race, their skin color. This is precisely what the LDS scriptures STILL teach. Here are few examples just from the Book of Mormon:

Alma 3:6 “And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren…”

3 Nephi 2:15 “And their curse was taken from them, and their skin becamewhite like unto the Nephites;”

3 Nephi 19:30 “And when Jesus had spoken these words he came again unto his disciples; and behold they did pray steadfastly, without ceasing, unto him; and he did smile upon them again; and behold they werewhite, even as Jesus.”

As these passages explain, the Lamanites (forerunners of the dark-skinned Native Americans descended from the Jews according to the Book of Mormon) were given a mark of dark skin as a curse for their transgression, not toward God, by the way, but toward their brethren, the “righteous” Nephites. Later when some Lamanites became righteous, the curse was removed and their skin became white.

This repulsion for the LDS racist scriptures I had discovered began to soften my heart toward the biblical God who, according to the Bible, is no respecter of persons and who shows no favoritism. When I read the Bible, its teachings were unmistakably clear because they were repeated over and over. One of these undeniable themes is that God is no respecter of persons and shows no favoritism, no bias.

What to do with the racist scriptures? If the LDS Church moves to remove them, then that calls into question all other things Joseph Smith wrote as scripture and said came from God. Can the Mormon Church say they’re an allegory that means something other than what they say literally? As of today, the church is still defending the four standard works on their official website as “utterly reliable” and “pure truth.”


TOPICS: History; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: antichristian; bookofmormon; inman; lds; mormonism; racism
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To: Elsie; colorcountry

Ping to colorcountry on Elsie’s post here!


41 posted on 01/07/2014 5:25:40 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: restornu
Joseph Smith never was a races.

HA ha!

This is as good a reason to NOT discuss the ERROR of Mormonism as the Catholic claim that their REALLY bad popes did NOT influence their church!

42 posted on 01/07/2014 5:26:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Why did Joseph Smith decided to be a candidate in the 1844 presidential election? It is hard to believe that he thought he could win the election, but he was not a frivolous candidate.

Why did Willard Mitt Romney decide to be a candidate in the 2008 & 2012 presidential elections? It is hard to believe that he thought he could win the election, for he WAS an un-electable candidate.

43 posted on 01/07/2014 5:29:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Joseph Smith said on February 8, 1844:

Blah, blah and further more; BLAH!

44 posted on 01/07/2014 5:30:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Joseph Smith said on February 8, 1844:

But this as a people we have been denied from the beginning. Persecution has rolled upon our heads from time to time…


Yes, this VICTIM mantle is something you MORMONs have clung to quite well.

45 posted on 01/07/2014 5:31:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Joseph Smith was killed on June 27, 1844 and obviously he never became president.

I; for one; would think that a Prophet of GOD would have seen this coming!




 
"Joseph; I advise you not to go to that jail."
 
"Darn gnats!!"
 
 
"Joseph; I'm telling you to not to go to that jail."
 
"Flies are BAD today!!"
 
 
"Joseph; It ain't gonna be pretty if you ignore me and go to that jail!"
 
"Crummy mosquitos are EVERYWHERE!!!"
 
 
"Joseph!  Do NOT go to that jail!"
 
"And those bedbugs really savaged me last night, too!"
 
 
"JOSEPH!!  Wake up boy!   Do Not Go To That JAIL!!!"
 
"All right Sheriff - here I am, so give me a nice room while my Lawyer, my Advocate, my Comforter presents the LAW to the Judge and I am VINDICATED!!!"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


46 posted on 01/07/2014 5:33:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
I wonder what Joseph Smith would have thought about this? It sounds to me like the guys in charge in 1978 weren't "comfortable" with the revelation JS received from Almighty God and they really, really wanted God to change His mind.

I wonder what Thomas Monson and the Twelve Yesmen aren't "comfortable" with now?

Just WHAT are they really, really REALLY wanting God to change His mind about NOW?

47 posted on 01/07/2014 5:35:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
...but I think disinformation should be corrected.

THIS?

From YOU?

48 posted on 01/07/2014 5:36:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
...but I think disinformation should be corrected.

Is an up-to-date TR REALLY needed to enter into the highest level of MORMON Heaven?

49 posted on 01/07/2014 5:37:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
...but I think disinformation should be corrected.

WHERE can we find the FULLNESS of the gospel in the Book of MORMON?

50 posted on 01/07/2014 5:38:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
...but I think disinformation should be corrected.

WHICH of the various versions of the FIRST Vision is the ACCURATE one?

51 posted on 01/07/2014 5:39:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
...but I think disinformation should be corrected.

STOP me before I hit a bandwidth limit!


52 posted on 01/07/2014 5:39:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
I can only speak for what is recorded in Church History

Then SPEAK away, girl!

Here's some PROVEN history: do YOU agree with it or not?


Ignoring it will convince a LOT of folks you are _______________ (fill in the blank)



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

53 posted on 01/07/2014 5:41:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian; restornu

Golly!

It seems like restornu wants to present just ONE side of history!


54 posted on 01/07/2014 5:43:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PapaBear3625
If you want really racist stuff, take a look at the Hindu caste system, and its theological underpinnings.

Look!!

Over THERE!

55 posted on 01/07/2014 5:44:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PapaBear3625
If you want really racist stuff, take a look at the Hindu caste system, and its theological underpinnings.

But that 'system' is now mostly done away with.

They can 'blame' it as being the product of a different time and different values.

56 posted on 01/07/2014 5:46:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
ALL: If you click on the Lds.org link in the first graph of this thread post, you'll find the Mormon Church December 2013 "clarification" on race and the priesthood.

 



"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


 
Seems like the Mormon GOD was really concerned the FIRST time about 'clarification'; so why is he(?) so slack NOW??

57 posted on 01/07/2014 5:48:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian; Normandy; teppe; trebb; StormPrepper
But, of course, don't expect full disclosure from the Mormon Church authorities when they tell its history!And; as it is so READILY seen on FR; from the pew warmers either!
58 posted on 01/07/2014 5:50:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

In an earlier comment, a FReeper said that Elijah Abel was 1/8 black meaning he may have “passed” for white..

It is quite possible he even had blue eyes and more European/straight hair..

He does not have to be black black to be later considered a “Negro”..

Thus it was a “white” man who was ordained a so called “seventy” not a black man..

that comment by Zebedee Coltrin “In the washing and annointing of Brother Abel at Kirtland, I annointed him and while I had my hands upon his head, I never had such an unpleasant feelings in my life....” was said or written much later...

Coltrin does not seem to have complained at the time...People were murdered due to “feelings” by the Mormons for less in both Nauvoo and Utah territory..

If something were really amiss, Coltrin would not have hesitated to expose poor Mr Abel..

Coltrin appeared to be quite comfortable at the time and have no misgivings about affording Mr Abel all the honors bestowed on the other men...

his objections came years later..


59 posted on 01/07/2014 10:00:27 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie

well the Mormons do want to rewrite history about their racist past and present..

their dead president and so called prophet Joseph Fielding Smith a great nephew of Joseph Smith the founder of Mormonism died in 1972 6 years before the 1978 change about blacks..

However the new class manual for the priesthood and relief society classes tell a different story..

Chapter 15 on page 192 is a reproduction of a teaching of JF Smith on “Eternal Marriage” and it contains a photo of a very distinctive black couple..

according to Smith a Mormon had to be married in the Mormon temple to attain “eternal marriage” and no black couple was allowed to be married in a temple during the lifetime of Smith..

The photo has been added recently in order to tweak the history of so called “eternal marriage” to fit the new and improved image of the racist Mormons..

Joseph Fielding Smith must be rolling over in his grave because he really thought that blacks should NOT be married in a Mormon temple due to their “unworthiness” and “mark of Cain” skin...

What Smith really thought...

“Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness he became the father of an inferior race. A curse placed upon him and that curse has been continued through his lineage and must do so while time endures. Millions of souls have come into this world cursed with a black skin and have been denied the privilege of Priesthood and the fullness of the blessings of the gospel. These are the descendants of Cain. Moreover, they have been made to feel their inferiority and have been separated from the rest of mankind from the beginning.. We will also hope that blessings may eventually be given to our negro brethren, for they are our brethren - children of God - notwithstanding their black covering emblematical of eternal darkness.”

Source: Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, pp. 101-02 (Deseret Book 1950)

“Nevertheless, it is only fair that I should give you some information from our view why the Negro is denied the Priesthood although he has the privilege of baptism, confirmation and membership in the church. According to the doctrines of the Church, the Negro, because of some conditions of unfaithfulness in the spirit - or pre-existence, was not valiant and hence was not denied the mortal probation, but was denied the blessing of the Priesthood.”

(Source: Letter dated 4/10/63 on “Council of the Twelve” letterhead from Joseph Fielding Smith to Joseph H. Henderson)

Either someone did not edit to purge out any incriminating words etc or the Dec proclamation on blacks was not preplanned but a sudden decision by the Mormon gods..


60 posted on 01/07/2014 11:01:39 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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