Posted on 01/03/2014 8:59:21 PM PST by matthewrobertolson
Protestants opposed contraception until the 1930 Lambeth Conference. After this, positions changed. So, did the Bible change, or did they?
Oh we understand and believe in the real presence; comparing your version and the bible's...We know Jesus is present within a Christian 24/7 and not taking up residence in a cracker when called down or summoned by a Catholic priest, to be depostited into a toilet shortly after...
And believe me, there is no frustration over that whatsoever...The only frustation is knowing that you guys are not in Jesus' presence like we are 24/7...
It would be polite to ping me when you are speaking of me...
I agree those churches are wrong to have women pastors and also wrong for condoning and performing homosexual union ceremonies.
They would also be wrong for installing, ordaining and protecting homosexual, pedophile and pederast priests and clergymen.
One has to be consistent.
Kinda short on bible so you too had to resort to cartoons???
You should apply the entire context of Paul’s discussion. What you posted gives a good idea but Paul had a bit more lead in information here in 1 Corinthians 7 and it looks as if he is giving teaching on how not to let lust cause one to fall into sin.
1 Corinthians 7:1-7 NASB
Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman. But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband. The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. But this I say by way of concession, not of command. Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am. However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that.
>> maybe the larger question is why do Catholics IGNORE their church’s doctrine on birth control and even abortion?
Yet, we have the Little Sisters of the Poor being attacked by the Marxist regime. Do these Catholic anecdotes count?
>> Good point!
Good diversion.
You’re commentary is very annoying, boatbums. Maybe you don’t realize how cynical it is. It cuts like a knife to me, and I fail to see how that’s attached in any way to the Love of Our Lord, Jesus Christ.
It would be polite to ping me when you are speaking of me...:)
>> When Catholics refuse to admit that a Protestant HAS defended his position they must attack the Protestant personally instead
Charming inoculation through select pluralization.
Don’t let second-rate schismatic guile get you down.
So reproductive doctrine is your calling to bring to the four corners of the earth? To each his own I guess. There have always been folks keenly interested in what goes on in the bedrooms of others who are married. Free country indeed. Don’t get me wrong this is an important issue especially agents used to destroy a life at the very beginning.
Since this evokes a political issue as well, would you support a Bill which protects life at conception or would you vote against it because it does not include abolishing all contraceptives? The Bill would include the morning after type pills which clearly destroy a conceived life.
That’s “unrecognizable,” not “indistinguishable,” but you probably already figured that out. If we had the coin, we’d purchase an edit feature for Free Republic.......... For now, though, I think it’s time to have some champagne. God be with you... :)
Who dares summon me?
Oh, more silly Papists.
“The Church rejects the notion of “total depravity”.”
The scripture rejects your “Church”:
Mar_10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
“1 Thessalonians 4:7 (NIV)... ‘Be holy, because I am holy.’” - 1 Peter 1:16 (NIV)”
Does it follow that because we are commanded to be Holy like GOD, that we can then be Holy like God? Let’s ask Paul:
“O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.” (Rom 7:24-25)
Was Paul just not as holy as MatthewRobertOlson? Maybe he didn’t go to communion enough?
“With the help of God’s general grace and the Sacraments that He instituted (which are instruments of His grace), along with a faithful disposition, I can be holy.’
Really? So you must do more than keep all the commandments:
Luk_17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
You’re really awesome, bud. Guess we’ll all be praying to you when you die, eh?
I don’t condemn the rhythm method. It is not for me to do that, but really don’t see it preached in the Bible either. The 1 Corinthians 7 reference is not about contraception. The implication is a couple would abstain for faith reasons, maybe taking a vow, or part of fasting and prayer; or if one or both are ill. The entire theme is get married so you won’t burn in lust and give Satan an opportunity to defile your sanctification. So I don’t see the scriptural support there and one would need to wrest the words to come up with the rhythm system.
As Gamecock mentioned, and I emphasize, in many evangelical churches any chemical birth control is seriously frowned upon in some outright taught not to do. One reason is the same as the Catholic church and another some see the use as harmful to the mother’s health.
Then again as a proud product of the Catholic rhythm system, even I know that no means man uses can stop the will of God.
Finally, there is a logical flaw in employing the rhythm system. If the purpose of the Catholic church’s contraceptive policy is to teach the faithful not to hinder the natural reproductive process of be fruitful and multiply (that is Biblical) and the purpose of intercourse is to only produce babies, then the rhythm system becomes a slight of hand to circumvent the church’s own policy.
That above is opinion and not judging others. I have plenty of beams in my eye, as any honest pilgrim to this earth has, to start pulling out specks in others. The Roman Catholic church has rules on this matter, and the best advice I have is for her faithful to clean house before casting stones at others and arrogantly telling others that you are praying for them when you should be wearing out your rosary beads bringing the Nancy Pelosi’s of your church back in line with your teachings.
<<see. A statement that is inclusive of all Roman Catholics is like the royal use of “we” and therefore permissible.
I’ll be sure to remember that approach to acceptable mind reading.<<
You have to be kidding right? Did you take a gander at the title of the article?
Amazing.
Vlad you have an assertion based on peeking in windows? How can you come to that conclusion?
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