Posted on 12/31/2013 1:05:45 PM PST by annalex
The important thing is that she said “yes,” be it done unto me according to thy will.
However, what the Pope said was pretty inoffensive and I have heard it in sermons over many years. In other words, being the mother of the Messiah really didn’t give you any special perks (although it actually was the dream, the “winning lottery” for generations of Jewish women) and in fact even the Messiah himself didn’t get any perks.
So let’s not flip out over this.
Pretty sure the Pope didn’t mean she never spoke again. I read it as she kept silent about the virgin birth. Or more importantly the virgin conception. Although if she tried to counter her family’s or villager’s comments as she began to show with “No - I didn’t sleep with Joseph, GOD did it!”, I imagine it would have fallen on deaf ears.
Hmm. It would have fallen on deaf ears to Joseph too I imagine, hence the angel told Joseph, iirc.
Wasn’t it when the old guy at the temple saw Jesus and said that he could die now because he had seen the Savior and it also is written that Mary stayed quiet, but contemplated and treasured what was said in her heart?
Seems she was perhaps a quiet, contemplative, calm woman. Attributes of faith I think. And also that the glory is to God, and not to her.
Yep, because this thread’s purpose was ALL about being intellectually honest and NOTHING about making examples of fellow “Catholics”.
LOL
I was responding to the contention that silence in all circumstances is ideal.
I just deleted. Everything.
"In a world where there is so much noise, so much bewilderment, there is a need for silent adoration of Jesus concealed in the Host. Be assiduous in the prayer of adoration and teach it to the faithful. It is a source of comfort and light, particularly to those who are suffering. With the Synod Assembly, therefore, I heartily recommend to the Church's pastors and to the People of God the practice of Eucharistic Adoration, both individually and in community." --Pope Benedict XVI, February 22, 2007, Sacramentum Caritatis, Post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation.http://adorationrocks.com
Obviously they talked; being of Semitic origin, they probably talked too much. The point is the value of silence, not to negate the value of speech.
This homily touches on both: the hypothetical speech and the silence that resulted. But that is because the hypothetical speech was lacking faith, and was discarded by the sinless speaker.
Let us remember that many monastic orders have silence as their discipline. Speech turned inward is conversation with God; we should do more of it.
Excellent explanation.
I agree. Moreover, now that I read more about the homily, and was asked questions about it, some coming with malice toward the Holy Father, I came to positively like this homily.
If I ever run away from home, that's where I'm going.
The “silent treatment” is a vicious tool that I sometimes used against my husband, and vice versa. He even marked off calendar days. (Not good memories at all.)
"Do whatever he tells you."
Mary always directs us back to her Son, Jesus Christ, fully human and fully God.
I don’t follow. I posted this thread for the purpose of discussing a contentious homily as a whole, not a single expression in it alone. Why the poster of the idiotic “eponymousflower” article had for a purpose I don’t know and won’t speculate.
Right; in fact, the practice of Eucharistic adoration is precisely the practice of putting oneself in Mary’s place at the foot of the Cross.
I had laryngitis a few years ago and couldn’t talk for several days. Finally, I made a sign that said, “No matter how many times you say that, I’m not going to reply.” It didn’t help; they just kept saying it as if they were going to completely dissipate if I didn’t affirm their existence by responding.
I often recall that Mary had only one child, and He was perfect ... never followed her into the bathroom to announce, “Look, my leopard is also a machine gun!” (”That’s wonderful, Frank. Go shoot your brothers.”)
..the practice of Eucharistic adoration is precisely the practice of putting oneself in Mary’s place at the foot of the Cross.Yes, very wonderfully put!
Very true.
This pretty much proves that Mary’s “silence” was the theme of that homily. And that pretty much proves that the silence she actually kept was being contrasted with a hypothetical spoken outburst that we all know did not happen.
Is it wrong in a sermon to say, “Perhaps Jesus was thinking “This die on the cross stuff is BS, God”, but His attitude instead was that of the suffering servant.”
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