“What should be different about a Mormon Christmas?” [Why Joseph Smith's birthday! Of course!]

When it's a constant spew of bile, hate and slander, there's no way it can be called "Christian".

I'm sure a bright boy like you knows "slander" involves telling a lie about someone.

Show us the lie that is being told about mormonism, if you're capable.

41 posted on 12/23/2013 1:24:18 PM PST by Anton.Rutter

To: StormPrepper

I always try to look for the good in things.

If you find a little good, I guess you accept the big bad that comes along with it.

Not a strategy I'd employ, but then; I'm not a deceived Mormon.

42 posted on 12/23/2013 1:25:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Jimt and his one-note band will now play caroles for our enjoyment.

43 posted on 12/23/2013 1:26:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

. It's unfortunate that pathetic losers such as yourself are so consumed with bigotry and hatred that you post such crap near Christmas.

Iff'n y'all WANT one of these, we CAN drop one off at CHRISTMAS!

44 posted on 12/23/2013 1:28:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Good grief, can you people set aside your hatred for the Samaritans for just one week out of respect for the fulfillment of God's promise to us through the birth of His Son? It's Christmas, people!

Then Herod, when he had secretly called the wise men, determined from them what time the star appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the young Child, and when you have found Him, bring back word to me, that I may come and worship Him also.”

When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy. And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

Matthew 2:7-11

See that? Just seeing the star filled these men with joy. I pray that God remove judgment from your hearts and replace it with utmost joy, in the precious name of Christ, Lord Jesus.

45 posted on 12/23/2013 1:28:22 PM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)

Amen to everything you said. And Merry Christmas!

46 posted on 12/23/2013 1:29:17 PM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)

When it's a constant spew of bile, hate and slander, there's no way it can be called "Christian".

Says the Alinsky dropout.

Have you NOT gotten the memo that said HATE and OBSESS ain't getting any traction at ALL on FR???

47 posted on 12/23/2013 1:29:56 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

48 posted on 12/23/2013 1:30:21 PM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

August 1st, 2011

The message for this month is -

...to IGNORE the FACT that the Christians on FR HATE us!

We've been taking a beating on the Internet - especially from those hateful ANTIs on FreeRepublic!

However, every time one of us call them ANTIs a HATER, they up and CHALLENGE us to show WHERE that is recorded!! They are getting mighty damned uppity in my humble opinion.

Since we have YET to show ANY 'hate', 'hatred' or such, we end up looking like fools at best and LIARs at worst.

So, in light of these findings, you are 'encouraged' to refrain from using those words on FR any more.

Watch your e-mail box for more info from Headquarters on how to deal with FR. SOMEthing has got to work!

Tommy

49 posted on 12/23/2013 1:30:59 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

It's one thing to post doctrinal disagreements.

See some differences between GOD's Word and the Joseph Smith's 'translation'

Color coding explanation:

Added stuff... Changed stuff... Rearranged stuff... Removed stuff...

*(UNDERLINED stuff is the DISTRACTING reference on every tenth word or so that infuses LDS 'scripture' online.)

JOSEPH SMITH—MATTHEW

An extract from the translation of the Bible as revealed to Joseph Smith the Prophet in 1831: Matthew 23: 39 and chapter 24.

Jesus foretells the impending destruction of Jerusalem—He also discourses on the second coming of the Son of Man, and the destruction of the wicked.

1 ^aFor I say unto you, that ye shall not see me henceforth and know that I am he of whom it is written by the prophets, until ye shall say: Blessed is he who ^bcometh in the name of the Lord, in the clouds of heaven, and all the holy angels with him. Then understood his disciples that he should come again on the earth, after that he was glorified and ^ccrowned on the right hand of God.

2 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple; and his disciples came to him, for to ^ahear him, saying: Master, show us concerning the buildings of the temple, as thou hast said—They shall be thrown down, and left unto you desolate.

3 And Jesus said unto them: See ye not all these things, and do ye not understand them? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here, upon this temple, one ^astone upon another that shall not be thrown down.

4 And Jesus left them, and went upon the Mount of Olives. And as he sat upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying: Tell us when shall these things be which thou hast said concerning the destruction of the temple, and the Jews; and what is the ^asign of thy ^bcoming, and of the ^cend of the world, or the destruction of the ^dwicked, which is the end of the world?

5 And Jesus answered, and said unto them: Take heed that no man deceive you;

6 For many shall come in my name, saying—I am ^aChrist—and shall deceive many;

7 Then shall they deliver you up to be ^aafflicted, and shall kill you, and ye shall be ^bhated of all nations, for my name’s sake;

8 And then shall many be ^aoffended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another;

9 And many ^afalse prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many;

10 And because iniquity shall abound, the ^alove of many shall wax cold;

11 But he that remaineth ^asteadfast and is not overcome, the same shall be saved.

12 When you, therefore, shall see the ^aabomination of ^bdesolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, concerning the destruction of ^cJerusalem, then you shall stand in the ^dholy place; whoso readeth let him understand.

13 Then let them who are in Judea flee into the ^amountains;

14 Let him who is on the housetop flee, and not return to take anything out of his house;

15 Neither let him who is in the field return back to take his clothes;

16 And wo unto them that are with ^achild, and unto them that give suck in those days;

17 Therefore, pray ye the Lord that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day;

18 For then, in those days, shall be great ^atribulation on the ^bJews, and upon the inhabitants of ^cJerusalem, such as was not before sent upon Israel, of God, since the beginning of their kingdom until this time; no, nor ever shall be sent again upon Israel.

19 All things which have befallen them are only the beginning of the sorrows which shall come upon them.

20 And except those days should be shortened, there should none of their flesh be ^asaved; but for the elect’s sake, according to the ^bcovenant, those days shall be shortened.

21 Behold, these things I have spoken unto you concerning the Jews; and again, after the tribulation of those days which shall come upon Jerusalem, if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe him not;

22 For in those days there shall also arise false ^aChrists, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch, that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant.

23 Behold, I speak these things unto you for the ^aelect’s sake; and you also shall hear of ^bwars, and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled, for all I have told you must come to pass; but the end is not yet.

24 Behold, I have told you before;

25 Wherefore, if they shall say unto you: Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: Behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not;

26 For as the light of the morning cometh out of the ^aeast, and shineth even unto the west, and covereth the whole earth, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

27 And now I show unto you a parable. Behold, wheresoever the ^acarcass is, there will the eagles be ^bgathered together; so likewise shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.

28 And they shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars.

29 Behold I speak for mine elect’s sake; for nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there shall be ^afamines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

30 And again, because iniquity shall abound, the love of men shall wax ^acold; but he that shall not be overcome, the same shall be saved.

31 And again, this ^aGospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world, for a witness unto all ^bnations, and then shall the end come, or the destruction of the wicked;

32 And again shall the ^aabomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, be fulfilled.

33 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the ^asun shall be ^bdarkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the ^cstars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

34 Verily, I say unto you, this ^ageneration, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled.

35 Although, the days will come, that heaven and earth shall pass away; yet my ^awords shall not pass away, but all shall be fulfilled.

36 And, as I said before, after the ^atribulation of those days, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth ^bmourn; and they shall see the ^cSon of Man ^dcoming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory;

37 And whoso ^atreasureth up my word, shall not be deceived, for the Son of Man shall ^bcome, and he shall send his ^cangels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the ^dremainder of his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

38 Now learn a parable of the ^afig-tree—When its branches are yet tender, and it begins to put forth leaves, you know that summer is nigh at hand;

39 So likewise, mine elect, when they shall see all these things, they shall know that he is near, even at the doors;

40 But of that day, and hour, no one ^aknoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only.

41 But as it was in the days of ^aNoah, so it shall be also at the coming of the Son of Man;

42 For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the ^aflood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage;

43 And ^aknew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

44 Then shall be fulfilled that which is written, that in the ^alast days, two shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other ^bleft;

45 Two shall be grinding at the mill, the one shall be taken, and the other left;

46 And what I say unto one, I say unto all men; ^awatch, therefore, for you know not at what hour your Lord doth come.

47 But know this, if the good man of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to have been broken up, but would have been ready.

48 Therefore be ye also ^aready, for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh.

49 Who, then, is a ^afaithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

50 Blessed is that ^aservant whom his lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing; and verily I say unto you, he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

51 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart: My lord ^adelayeth his coming,

52 And shall begin to smite his fellow-servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken,

53 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

54 And shall cut him asunder, and shall appoint him his portion with the hypocrites; there shall be weeping and ^agnashing of teeth.

55 And thus cometh the ^aend of the wicked, according to the prophecy of Moses, saying: They shall be cut off from among the people; but the end of the earth is not yet, but by and by.

KJV Matthew 23:38-39 24:1-51

39. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16. Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25. Behold, I have told you before.
26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33. So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49. And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50. The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

King James Version of the Holy Bible

Public domain

50 posted on 12/23/2013 1:32:03 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

I pray that God remove judgment from your hearts and replace it with utmost joy, in the precious name of Christ, Lord Jesus.

Oh yeah, I just bet you do!

Just don't bet the farm!!

Mormonism is a demonic deception and all you guys whining about it being revealed is merely icing on the cake!

Why can't you people follow your scriptures when dealing with us?

The

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 71

Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon, at Hiram, Ohio, December 1, 1831. HC 1: 238–239. The Prophet had continued to translate the Bible with Sidney Rigdon as his scribe until this revelation was received, at which time it was temporarily laid aside so as to enable them to fulfill the instruction given herein. The brethren were to go forth to preach in order to allay the unfriendly feelings that had developed against the Church as a result of the publication of some newspaper articles by Ezra Booth, who had apostatized.

1–4, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon are sent forth to proclaim the gospel; 5–11, Enemies of the saints shall be confounded.

1 Behold, thus saith the Lord unto you my servants Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, that the time has verily come that it is necessary and expedient in me that you should open your mouths in proclaiming my gospel, the things of the kingdom, expounding the mysteries thereof out of the scriptures, according to that portion of Spirit and power which shall be given unto you, even as I will.

2 Verily I say unto you, proclaim unto the world in the regions round about, and in the church also, for the space of a season, even until it shall be made known unto you.

3 Verily this is a mission for a season, which I give unto you.

4 Wherefore, labor ye in my vineyard. Call upon the inhabitants of the earth, and bear record, and prepare the way for the commandments and revelations which are to come.

5 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also;

6 For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power.

7 Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest.

8 Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord.

9 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;

10 And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.

11 Wherefore, keep my commandments; they are true and faithful. Even so. Amen.

51 posted on 12/23/2013 1:36:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

I’ll pray some more.

52 posted on 12/23/2013 1:40:24 PM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)

...just one week out of respect for the fulfillment of God's promise to us through the birth of His Son? It's Christmas, people!

C'mon Hoodat. (You're not that obtuse)

It's precisely because Mormonism disrespects, disses and dismisses Jesus and too oft' replaces Him with Joseph Smith THIS TIME OF THE YEAR that this is indeed the perfect timing to address it.

If Mormonism did that more -- say, in August...I'd post about it then. But they've gone out of their way to do this more in December thru the years. I've documented that on these series of posts.

So, I've noted you're not upset with the real original December provocateurs on this...just me because I've actually responded within the same month they tend to promote Joseph Smith in favor of the Christ child. Well, so be it. Continue the flak toward me -- and the heretics can simply continue to have their way with the spiritually vulnerable and gullible.

...judgment from your hearts

Hoodat, did it ever dawn on you that when you accuse somebody else of being "judgmental" -- you yourself are making a "judgmental" assessment? (So where do I get that platform of yours that allows you to judge others -- without coming across as judging others?)

Btw, you call it "judging"...I call it exercising spiritual discernment.

53 posted on 12/23/2013 1:53:56 PM PST by Colofornian

Are you inferring that I am a drinker? I am in no way a drinker.

54 posted on 12/23/2013 1:56:55 PM PST by Utah Binger (Salt Lake City Utah with a foot of snow)

You are truly obsessed.

(and that's rarely a good thing)

55 posted on 12/23/2013 1:57:10 PM PST by tomkat (8^)

Well, you know, Mormon missionaries spend up to 70 hrs. per week for two years...not allowed home for the holidays...and part of that they continually bash worldwide Christianity as "apostate"...

Yet all of that is sanctioned by posters like you...because apparently many don't raise a peep to the Mormon Church about that. (Why not?)

Only, and religiously hypocritically on your part, is some zeal apparently objectionable.

Secondly, Lds spend MILLIONS of man-hours researching the dead & $millions in doing that -- and baptizing the dead...and you call this little "back room" operation of a few bucks "obsessive?" (You're hilarious on that count)

Finally, for the Son of God to take on baby form and dirty his diapers...all so that we would be saved by this Immanuel...and that He still is both God and man even now in eternity...now that's the kind of obsession we can all in this world appreciate: A God who actually is so jealous of us -- in the best sense of the word -- that He would send His Son to become man and die for us on the cross.

"14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God" (Exodus 34:14)

The root Hebrew words, btw, for "jealous" and "zealous" are the same.

And God's jealousy isn't tainted like man's; He has a right to creative ownership of us.

Merry CHRISTmas!

56 posted on 12/23/2013 2:11:58 PM PST by Colofornian

So you’re a defender of Joseph Smith.

Well, when you go to Hell, make sure you have a mouth full of spit, because when you meet him in the lake of fire, he’s going to be thirsty.

57 posted on 12/23/2013 2:14:54 PM PST by Anton.Rutter

To: Anton.Rutter

58 posted on 12/23/2013 2:22:58 PM PST by tomkat

Your join date is your argument? Wow.

59 posted on 12/23/2013 2:30:23 PM PST by Anton.Rutter

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