Yes I do remember.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged KRINO) according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
You're argument is that "krino" in Revelation 20 IS not a period of judgment despite the meaning of the word "krino"...which is period of judging, trial or tribunal. This is important, because your religious cult teaches that men must follow Jewish dietary laws and celebrate their feasts.
You're wrong (again) and trying to change the subject.
but you have not specifically provided any evidence that Krino means “a period of time, are a [sic] given a choice.” Of course, you HAVE to make this claim, because otherwise there is no gap or any “period of time” in the actual text.
No, I have to make the claim because that's what the bible says. That's the truth.
Joh 18:31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death: The “judge” here is Krino, which is only Pilate saying that they should be the ones to try Him in their own court. They refuse, since they say they do not have the authority to kill Him. The meaning here can only be “to determine guilt,” according to their own law, and not to give him a “period of time, to give him a choice.”
Nonsense. The context here is that Pilate really didn't want to get involved in this so told them to go have their own trial. The sentence for what they were going to charge Jesus with was death. That's the only thing it means. It doesn't change the fact that Pilate wanted them to have a trial even if was just in a kangaroo court.
“As a point of fact I did not say “infallibly” nor do I believe that. The argument has been that God will give them a chance in the second resurrection to know the truth.” Earlier you said that “All of Israel, of every generation that has ever lived, will be saved.” This is “infallibly,”
No, that's you assuming that I meant something I didn't and then attempting to tear it down. A strawman argument.
“You, and traditional Christiany, change this to the choices of “everlasting life burning in hell and everlasting life.” This is exactly the choice given by Christ:
No, it's not.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Perish is Strong's G22 and it means "to destroy fully (reflexively to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively: - destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.".
Jesus was using it because he taught and understood scripture:
Malachi 4:1 "For behold, the day is coming, Burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up," Says the LORD of hosts, "That will leave them neither root nor branch.
Over time a new "theory" was invented that changed the words of Christ to something he didn't say. Clearly and absoltely he says the choices for man are to be fully destroyed or to have everlasting life. This has been perverted to "Have eternal life and be tortured forever or have eternal life." This is not linguistically what Christ said as recorded in scripture. This is not what other scripture says.
The rich man in hell would sure wish that was the case. As were the Jews in Daniel doomed to “everlasting” punishment. Or, as in Isaiah, “where their worm dieth not”:
This really deserves a whole nother thread.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go out and see the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against Me; for their worm shall not die, nor shall their fire be put out; and they shall be an object of disgust to all flesh.
So first it's referring clearly to "dead bodies" and not any kind of eternal life. And the Hebrew definitely means "dead bodies".
The reason this confuses you and why you have to continue to misread and misapply scripture is that you have chosen to believe a tradition that we are immortal and eternal BEFORE we are saved by Christ. As a point of fact this was the original lie of Satan:
Gen 3:3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.' "
Gen 3:4 Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.
Surely we WILL die, be destroyed fully. You are agreeing with the lie of Satan when you go against scripture and assert that we will NOT surely die.
“You’re argument is that “krino” in Revelation 20 IS not a period of judgment despite the meaning of the word “krino”...which is period of judging, trial or tribunal.”
You’re just repeating yourself, and you’re literally making circular arguments. If you could prove that Krino actually means “a period of time, where they are given a choice,” you’d be able to demonstrate it, instead of just ignoring everything I say and spamming me.
Unfortunately this is how cults like the UCB or the LDS or JWs behave when they have any claim of theirs refuted. They just repeat themselves, over and over again, and make pretend that you haven’t said anything. It’s just a statement of faith on your part. I don’t really care WHAT you believe. I care what you can prove.
“You’re wrong (again) and trying to change the subject.”
No, I’m quite right. The United Church of Beelzebub upholds Jewish dietary laws and feast days. You even have them listed on your homepage. Unless you mean “You’re quite wrong” about what the Apostles deliberated over, and decreed (Krino). In which case you’re still wrong, since they quite clearly said “circumcision AND the law of Moses.” Not just circumcision, as your cult would have it. If you don’t like it, then don’t make the claim. Being silent is better than speaking nonsense, I say. If you held to that rule, you’d do very little talking though.
“Nonsense. The context here is that Pilate really didn’t want to get involved in this so told them to go have their own trial.”
Exactly! But, apparently you do not know what a “trial” even is. I mean, it’s not where you take the criminal and you say, ‘Okay, we’re going to have a trial of endurance. If you renounce your crimes and run 100 miles, you’ll be considered innocent!”. It’s a court of law. The only difference though with the divine court is that, without the blood of Jesus, none of your works can ever be ignored and forgiven.
“No, that’s you assuming that I meant something I didn’t and then attempting to tear it down. A strawman argument.”
I literally quoted you saying “All Israel, of every generation, will be saved.” But then you changed your tune when I produced scripture of Christ and His saints standing in judgment over the 12 tribes of Israel.
I guess this is another way how religious cults handle things. When they can’t defend themselves, they just pretend like it never happened.
“No, it’s not.”
Actually, it is, you’re just not intellectually honest enough to even attempt refuting me.
“Clearly and absoltely he says the choices for man are to be fully destroyed or to have everlasting life. This has been perverted to “Have eternal life and be tortured forever or have eternal life.””
Death, in the biblical perspective, is separation from the body and the soul. Hence, these righteous souls, after martyrdom, go to heaven and dwell with God:
Rev_6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Or in “Abraham’s Bosom,” paradise, before its removal up to the third heaven:
Luk_16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And the wicked, likewise, carried off into hell.
The second death is not a destruction of the soul, but is eternal separation from God:
Rev_14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
You can try to wiggle out of it all you like, but you can’t make this scripture square with the teachings of your Armstrong cult.
But if the members of the UCB weren’t spiritually blinded, then they wouldn’t be a member of such a stupid religious cult to begin with, would they?
“So first it’s referring clearly to “dead bodies” and not any kind of eternal life. And the Hebrew definitely means “dead bodies”.”
Well then, let’s ask a Jew what he thinks of that verse.
Rabbi Joseph Ben Uzziel, 30 years before Christ, in his Chaldee Paraphrase of the Prophet Isaiah (Targum):
“And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men, the sinners who have rebelled against my word; for their souls shall not die, and their fire shall not be quenched.” (Joseph Ben Uziel, Chaldee Paraphase on the Prophet Isaiah, Trans. Rev. C.W.H Pauli, p. 226)
Who should I believe? Joseph or some random guy from a religious cult who disagrees with 2,000 years of Christianity because some guy came and claimed he was a descendant of David and Christ’s modern Apostle?
“You are agreeing with the lie of Satan”
Obviously I’m not, but is this a manifestation of a rivalry between your Beelzebub and Satan? You need to pass this message up to the top. Just write down “Hey boss, you need to put aside your differences with Satan. A house divided against itself cannot stand.”
If the United Church of Beelzebub can’t get along with Satan, your whole organization will NEVER get as popular as the Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses. Even Scientology would look down on you.