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“You’re argument is that “krino” in Revelation 20 IS not a period of judgment despite the meaning of the word “krino”...which is period of judging, trial or tribunal.”


You’re just repeating yourself, and you’re literally making circular arguments. If you could prove that Krino actually means “a period of time, where they are given a choice,” you’d be able to demonstrate it, instead of just ignoring everything I say and spamming me.

Unfortunately this is how cults like the UCB or the LDS or JWs behave when they have any claim of theirs refuted. They just repeat themselves, over and over again, and make pretend that you haven’t said anything. It’s just a statement of faith on your part. I don’t really care WHAT you believe. I care what you can prove.

“You’re wrong (again) and trying to change the subject.”


No, I’m quite right. The United Church of Beelzebub upholds Jewish dietary laws and feast days. You even have them listed on your homepage. Unless you mean “You’re quite wrong” about what the Apostles deliberated over, and decreed (Krino). In which case you’re still wrong, since they quite clearly said “circumcision AND the law of Moses.” Not just circumcision, as your cult would have it. If you don’t like it, then don’t make the claim. Being silent is better than speaking nonsense, I say. If you held to that rule, you’d do very little talking though.

“Nonsense. The context here is that Pilate really didn’t want to get involved in this so told them to go have their own trial.”


Exactly! But, apparently you do not know what a “trial” even is. I mean, it’s not where you take the criminal and you say, ‘Okay, we’re going to have a trial of endurance. If you renounce your crimes and run 100 miles, you’ll be considered innocent!”. It’s a court of law. The only difference though with the divine court is that, without the blood of Jesus, none of your works can ever be ignored and forgiven.

“No, that’s you assuming that I meant something I didn’t and then attempting to tear it down. A strawman argument.”


I literally quoted you saying “All Israel, of every generation, will be saved.” But then you changed your tune when I produced scripture of Christ and His saints standing in judgment over the 12 tribes of Israel.

I guess this is another way how religious cults handle things. When they can’t defend themselves, they just pretend like it never happened.

“No, it’s not.”


Actually, it is, you’re just not intellectually honest enough to even attempt refuting me.

“Clearly and absoltely he says the choices for man are to be fully destroyed or to have everlasting life. This has been perverted to “Have eternal life and be tortured forever or have eternal life.””


Death, in the biblical perspective, is separation from the body and the soul. Hence, these righteous souls, after martyrdom, go to heaven and dwell with God:

Rev_6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Or in “Abraham’s Bosom,” paradise, before its removal up to the third heaven:

Luk_16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

And the wicked, likewise, carried off into hell.

The second death is not a destruction of the soul, but is eternal separation from God:

Rev_14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

You can try to wiggle out of it all you like, but you can’t make this scripture square with the teachings of your Armstrong cult.

But if the members of the UCB weren’t spiritually blinded, then they wouldn’t be a member of such a stupid religious cult to begin with, would they?

“So first it’s referring clearly to “dead bodies” and not any kind of eternal life. And the Hebrew definitely means “dead bodies”.”


Well then, let’s ask a Jew what he thinks of that verse.

Rabbi Joseph Ben Uzziel, 30 years before Christ, in his Chaldee Paraphrase of the Prophet Isaiah (Targum):

“And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men, the sinners who have rebelled against my word; for their souls shall not die, and their fire shall not be quenched.” (Joseph Ben Uziel, Chaldee Paraphase on the Prophet Isaiah, Trans. Rev. C.W.H Pauli, p. 226)

Who should I believe? Joseph or some random guy from a religious cult who disagrees with 2,000 years of Christianity because some guy came and claimed he was a descendant of David and Christ’s modern Apostle?

“You are agreeing with the lie of Satan”


Obviously I’m not, but is this a manifestation of a rivalry between your Beelzebub and Satan? You need to pass this message up to the top. Just write down “Hey boss, you need to put aside your differences with Satan. A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

If the United Church of Beelzebub can’t get along with Satan, your whole organization will NEVER get as popular as the Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses. Even Scientology would look down on you.


102 posted on 12/27/2013 2:42:45 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
“You’re argument is that “krino” in Revelation 20 IS not a period of judgment despite the meaning of the word “krino”...which is period of judging, trial or tribunal.” You’re just repeating yourself, and you’re literally making circular arguments. If you could prove that Krino actually means “a period of time, where they are given a choice,” you’d be able to demonstrate it, instead of just ignoring everything I say and spamming me.

It's not spamming to keep repeating what a word means. Since you don't get it or choose not to get it the only recourse is to repeat the definition of the word.

“You’re wrong (again) and trying to change the subject.” No, I’m quite right. The United Church of God upholds Jewish dietary laws and feast days.

You're wrong again. I'll explain it to you since you clearly aren't that educated on the topic. Jewish dietary laws, or kashrut are a set of dietary laws that evolved over centuries of tradition and are for the most part non-biblical traditions.

What I, and many others, do is not to eat the food that the Lord Jesus Christ commanded us not to. There are huge and significant differences between kashrut and the food prohibitions of Christ.

Attacking the food laws of Christ probably isn't something you should do. You profess to follow him.

Neither do I observe Jewish feast days. Jews do not see Christ in the feast days while scripture clearly reveals that he is the focus of the feast days.

Lev_23:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.

Jesus Christ, the Lord, says these are HIS feasts. Feel free to blaspheme the Lord Jesus Christ and his feast days. But be warned that it might not end well for you if you continue in your rebellion to the Lord.

You might want to review this "Did Jesus Declare All Meats Clean?" a Freerepublic thread from 2007. “So first it’s referring clearly to “dead bodies” and not any kind of eternal life. And the Hebrew definitely means “dead bodies”.” Well then, let’s ask a Jew what he thinks of that verse. Rabbi Joseph Ben Uzziel, 30 years before Christ, in his Chaldee Paraphrase of the Prophet Isaiah (Targum):

Really? The verse clearly says what it says and are you so desperate to have it mean what you think it should that you have to quote a non-believer's opinion, a paraphrase at that, as proof? I'll take that as meaning the bible doesn't agree with you.

“You are agreeing with the lie of Satan” Obviously I’m not

Yes, you are. Our Lord and Master tells us that those who don't or won't believe him will die, will fully perish. Satan's lie is that we will not surely die. Who to believe? You believe Satan. You think that we will NOT surely die and you make up reasons to believe Satan and Christ.

Sorry, I'll stick with Jesus.

103 posted on 12/27/2013 4:36:51 PM PST by DouglasKC
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