Posted on 12/22/2013 1:46:25 PM PST by piusv
"The Gospel tells us nothing: if she said a word or not ... She was quiet, but in her heart - how much she said to the Lord! 'You told me then - that's what we have read - that He will be great. You told me that You would give him the throne of his father David, that he will reign over the house of Jacob forever. And now I see Him there!' The Blessed Mother was human! And perhaps she would have wanted to say, 'lies! I have been cheated!'.
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Was Christ tempted by his own thoughts and desires? Was it internal? No.
I am not such a stickler for words that it matters to me what folks call themselves. I like the sound and the clarity of Messianic Jews as a name. My only point is that it’s a relatively new term, and not one used in the Bible. But neither is Methodist, so live and let live.
I agree with you insofar that Mary had an incomplete understanding of her Divine Son as expressed in Luke 2:50 (also Luke 2:19). I disagree that it would by “a type of sin”. Sin is willful and informed denial of the will of God; indecision is by definition not sinful.
I also think that the Marian adoption in John 19:26-27 is primarily an adoption by Mary, not of Mary. She is asked to adopt John first and through that she adopted the entire Catholic Church. The economic arrangement was indeed such that John was to take care of her for he “took her to his own”, but the language Jesus used was not limited to economic matters: it was establishing a true and complete mother-child relationship. This also shows that whatever doubts she had had were overcome at that point, for Christ directed her thoughts to the future of the Church.
Mandrake, spiritual warfare is too important to be left to the Popes. I can no longer sit back and allow Jesuit infiltration, Jesuit indoctrination, Jesuit subversion and the international Jesuit conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
Of course, any doubt a faithful Catholic might have has devil at its source; true for me, true for you and true for Mary. There is no sin in that.
And of course, the Pope did not say that Mary actually doubted, only that under the circumstance any human would.
Isn't it a sign that His Holiness is doing an excellent job?
To which the guy holds out his Bible, points at a page, and says, "Look! Right here! It says John the Baptist, not John the Catholic!"
*rimshot*
Words obviously change meaning and even form over time. Given that this is the case, given that nowhere in the New Testament does any Apostle identify himself as a "Christian," and given that you've admitted yourself that it's an apt term, how is Uriel wrong to point out that by the way we use the terms today, the Apostles would be Messianic Jews rather than Christians?
Shalom and Merry Christmas!
Where do you come up with these concepts? Had you followed the entire theme of the pope's homily which was on silence, you would not be making such audacious pronouncements.
Once more, we are witnessing the melt-down of another major Christian Church due to political correctness.
“In this case, he’s just making up things Mary might have thought”.
You mean sorta like the “Rapture”, which is nothing in the world but nonsense and certainly not scriptural.
Thanks for the response. I admit, this is the first time I had ever considered that interpretation. I generally place the statement of Christ on the Cross to have more force than the volition of Mary.
Perhaps Christ directed his mother to observe her Son, i.e. Him on the Cross, and then He directed the head of the Household, John, to take Mary as his mother.
Joh 19:25-30
(25) Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
(26) When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
(27) Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
(28) After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
(29) Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
(30) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
By promoting (although perhaps inadvertently) a reductionist representation of the virtues of the Mother of God? I don't think so, any more than I believe that the Church should soft-peddle for public consumption Her teachings on abortion and other evils.
Pope Pius XII regarding our Blessed Mother: "In order to understand better this sublime dignity of the Mother of God over all creatures let us recall that the holy Mother of God was, at the very moment of her Immaculate Conception, so filled with grace as to surpass the grace of all the Saints. Wherefore, as Our Predecessor of happy memory, Pius IX wrote, God "showered her with heavenly gifts and graces from the treasury of His divinity so far beyond what He gave to all the angels and saints that she was ever free from the least stain of sin; she is so beautiful and perfect, and possesses such fullness of innocence and holiness, that under God a greater could not be dreamed, and only God can comprehend the marvel."[55] AD CAELI REGINAM ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XII ON PROCLAIMING THE QUEENSHIP OF MARY
The Pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth. He has been given the authority by Jesus; “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Matthew 16:19. In this verse, Jesus is speaking directly to the apostle Peter. In otherwords the Pope can interpret the Bible anyway he feels like interpreting it. And it’s also a Catholic document. No protestants had a hand in compiling it. But they sure love to criticize the people that did.
“another major Christian Church”
Another Christian Church? What other Christian Church is there.
Yes, if the unbiblical part is contrasted. Clear would help but the very nature of public speaking risks lack of clarity. Human imperfections are a part of it.
Thank you for the quote. There are others that look VERY different than what Francis suggests. I can’t believe that there are some who choose to overlook it.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us.
I’m done here.
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Orthodox Church, Baptists, etc.
Shalom:shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachI guess one can argue with the term: Messianic Jews.
However not with the term: messianic jews.
baruch HaShem
It's easier to ignore the inconsistencies than to question them. And some mistakenly believe that they have no right to question or to point out inconsistencies; that to do so in pursuit of or in defense of the truth is somehow an affront to God, which is certainly not the case, since God IS Truth. "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free".
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us.
Amen.
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