[CynicalBear]

Let’s clear something up from scripture. NO ONE waits to be born again “until the last trump” if they are a believer. 1 Peter 1:3 “having begotten again”

1 John 2:29 “has been begotten”

1 John 4:7 “has been born”

1 John 5:1 “has been born”

1 John 5:18 “having been born”

1 John 1:13 “were born”

All of those passages show past tense. How much clearer can it be?

[metmom]

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

Jesus says that believing = done deal. We HAVE eternal life. By believing we HAVE PASSED from death to life.

NO waiting to the end to find out.

Can't get much clearer than that.

[Salvation]

1 John, chapter 2

 

Children of God.

 

28^* And now, children, remain in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not be put to shame by him at his coming. 29If you consider that he is righteous, you also know that everyone who acts in righteousness is begotten by him.

[Salvation]

1 John, chapter 4

 

God’s Love and Christian Life.

7^* Beloved, let us love one another, because love is of God; everyone who loves is begotten by God and knows God. 8Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love.

[Salvation]

1 John, chapter 5

 

Faith is Victory over the World.

1^* Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is begotten by God, and everyone who loves the father loves [also] the one begotten by him.^a

 

18We know that no one begotten by God sins; but the one begotten by God he protects, and the evil one cannot touch him.

[Salvation]

1John Chapter 1 — does not have 13 verses.

You are using a strange Bible to have all these quotes in past tense.

In my Bible they are stated in the present tense....proving, it pays to get the correct Bible.

[metmom]

Here. Biblehub for parallel translations.

http://biblehub.com/

Young’s Literal Translation
1 John 2:29 - if ye know that he is righteous, know ye that every one doing the righteousness, of him hath been begotten.

Young’s Literal Translation
1 John 4:7
Beloved, may we love one another, because the love is of God, and every one who is loving, of God he hath been begotten, and doth know God;

Young’s Literal Translation
1 John 5:1 Every one who is believing that Jesus is the Christ, of God he hath been begotten, and every one who is loving Him who did beget, doth love also him who is begotten of Him:

Young’s Literal Translation
1 John 5:18 We have known that every one who hath been begotten of God doth not sin, but he who was begotten of God doth keep himself, and the evil one doth not touch him;

When looking at the Greek, the only version which translates it wrong is the Catholic one.

And there is no difference between someone who has been born of God and one who IS born of God. In either case, being born of God is a present reality in their lives.

We are now seated in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

It’s a done deal.

[HiTech RedNeck]

We are trying to use the language of an unrighteous world to describe the affairs of an utterly righteous God among men, and it can’t be pressed too hard or nonsense results. I believe the effort is meant well in a way, but that’s one reason why God says His thoughts are above ours. We can only frame some of them in symbols if we could frame them at all. Our mortal coil is too poor to contain full-on heaven. Even Jesus had to empty Himself in order to go into it.

[James R. Aist]

Thanks, you saved me the trouble.