Posted on 12/18/2013 11:10:23 AM PST by BlatherNaut
"...American conservative Catholics who defend Pope Francis keep saying that Francis is truly orthodox, despite the fact that the liberal US media love him. Maybe they’re right. But the further we go into this pontificate, the more I wonder if liberals understand something about Pope Francis that conservatives do not."
(Excerpt) Read more at theamericanconservative.com ...
It would be nice if the Pope would extol the virtues of Capitalism, by far the most dynamic economic system ever conceived of which has uplifted untold millions from proverty, disease, and oppression.
He might be right but I have trouble buying anything this guy writes, he was one of those eco-nuts who totally bought the AGW scam last I heard. Called himself a “Crunchy Con” or some such hogwash.
It would be nice, but it wouldn't be very Catholic.
"Since the origins of modern capitalism around 1780, more than two-thirds of the world’s population has moved out of poverty. In China and India alone, more than 500 million have been raised out of poverty just in the last forty years. In almost every nation the average age of mortality has risen dramatically, causing populations to expand accordingly. Health in almost every dimension has been improved, and literacy has been carried to remote places it never reached before.Whatever the motives of individuals, the system has improved the plight of the poor as none ever has before. The contemporary left systematically refuses to face these undeniable facts."
-- Robert Novak, from the thread Economic Heresies of the Left (Novak on Caritas in Veritate)
If the Pharisees hate him, then I hate him!
Catholic all my life, don’t care the Pope’s opinion about capitalism.
Anyplace that tries to do away with it gets a black market for their trouble, because the market is a force of nature.
Capitalism made the Middle Class possible. Before that it was Kings and Peasants.
Read “The Servile State” and you will understand Francis and at least his eco-political tendencies. He neither hates capitalism nor socialism but is not in love with either. He sees that any virtue found in current economies has been silenced by the vice that now operates within it.
I’m Catholic too and I deplore the Church’s positions on economics, statism, and illegal immigration.
I don't know much about Rod Dreher, other than that AFAIK he converted to Catholicism during the Bush administration, and later converted to Russian Orthodoxy because he believed Catholicism was too liberal. See here:
Was I frustrated because the priests wouldn’t preach God’s judgment instead of God’s mercy? By no means. I was frustrated because they wouldn’t preach God’s judgment at all, which is to say, they preached Christ without the Cross. I knew the depths of the sins from which I was being delivered, and it felt wrong to treat His amazing grace like it was a common courtesy....American Catholicism was not pushing back against the hostile age at all. Rather, it had become a pushover. God is love was not a proclamation that liberated us captives from our sin and despair, but rather a bromide and a platitude that allowed us to believe that, and to behave as if, our lust, greed, malice and so forth – sins that I struggled with every day — weren’t to be despised and cast out, but rather shellacked by a river of treacle. I finally broke........There is, of course, no such thing as the perfect church, but in Orthodoxy, which radically resists the moralistic therapeutic deism that characterizes so much American Christianity, I found a soul-healing balance. In my Russian Orthodox country mission parish this past Sunday, the priest preached about love, joy, repentance, and forgiveness – in all its dimensions.
-- from the thread I’m Still Not Going Back to the Catholic Church: Pope Francis only confirms my decision to leave
That the Pope comes from Argentina also may give us a clue of his mindset regarding these issues. A country that spent itself into bankruptcy. I do not cry for Argentina. And I detest its politics. The generals seemed to do a better job than the politicians down there.
When RAT commie commentators like Nancy Giles praise the Pope, you know something is wrong:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nancy-giles-on-the-bold-and-scrappy-pope-francis/
Soon Obama will be taking selfies with Pope Francis.
Yeah, all those founding conservatives after World War II like William F. Buckley, Russell Kirk, Brent Bozell II, and Christopher Dawson were all closet liberals.
Not to mention all the popes of the 19th, 20th, and early 21st centuries.
Good post and great site.
The Pope won’t extol the virtues of capitalism because he has friends who are Marxists and they are nice people. I will not say what I really think here out of respect for what the Catholic church used to be.
What church has stood staunchly against
abortion
euthanasia
homosexuality
contraception
embryonic stem cell research
through the ages and even today?
What church to you attend? Can you say the same about it?
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