Posted on 12/02/2013 11:51:05 AM PST by Gamecock
How do you say “You’re all goin’ to hell and I’m not” graciously?
Gamecock, as an (assumed) elect person, where you ever in any REAL danger of going to hell?
You can not say someone is going to hell. Only God knows if a person will be saved.
That being said, you must warn people of their condition without Christ. And everyone is in the same boat as far as that goes including the reformed Christian.
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Cage-stage Calvinists are identifiable by their insistence on turning every discussion into an argument for limited atonement or for making it their personal mission to ensure everyone they know hears—often quite loudly—the truths of divine election. Now, having a zeal for the truth is always commendable. But a zeal for the truth that manifests itself in obnoxiousness won’t convince anyone of the biblical truth of Reformed theology. As many of us can attest from personal experience, it will actually push them away.
Thanks for the ping, Gamecock. But where's that exegesis of Romans 9 that we were expecting?
That being said, you must warn people of their condition without Christ
To answer your question, he wasn’t. As Christ says, all those given to Him by the Father will come to Him, and of all that Christ is given He will lose nothing. However, this is a Reformed Caucus thread, so if you want to debate or fight about it, start a different thread.
Since one doesn't know who will be saved it is important to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit and speak the truth of Jesus' sacrifice. God will save whom He will.
Umm well nevermind. It said Caucus and now it doesn’t. Maybe I hallucinated
” It said Caucus and now it doesn’t.”
So we CAN fight?
No.
” It said Caucus and now it doesn’t.”
So we CAN fight?
Considering Christ says his sheep hear his voice, no. He would find his sheep no matter where they are. However, there are many false converts who really aren’t saved. They are in danger of hell. You simply can’t assume an unbeliever is an elect person either.
You must preach the gospel to them as if it were life or death, for it really is.
Folks need to know God did it out of Love, not because of anything we did or because of anything we would do, but out of His sheer love.
“You must preach the gospel to them as if it were life or death, for it really is.”
Not if your a Calvinist... it’s really NOT life and death.
Only the elect will be saved. The elect won’t be lost.
(if your a Calvinist)
“No.”
Don’t you see how wrong that is?
No.
Please explain. Using Scripture.
It neutralizes the meaning of Eph. 2:12&19
” remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world... So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, “
How could someone who was never in any real danger of going to hell be truthfully described as, “having no hope and without God in the world”?
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