Posted on 11/11/2013 3:31:57 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
What a horrifically EXPONENTIAL amazing time is just before us in which the world of today is absolutely oblivious to (1 Thess. 5:2-3). The Day of the Lord is at hand in which the godlessness, lawlessness and violence of man will reach its EXPONENTIAL zenith (2 Thess. 2:2:8-12, Rev. 6-19)! What is amazing is that the very world leaders we see today raging and conspiring against Israel and Almighty God's RIGHTEOUSNESS most likely will be the very ones who will give their power and authority to the upcoming beast (aka- Anti Christ - 2 Thess. 2:3-12, Rev. 13, 17:12-17).
These present day world leaders may also be the very ones who - during the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period - will seek to destroy Israel and Israel's Divine protectors (the TWO Lamp Stands of Almighty God- Rev. 11:2-6). It will be at the end of Almighty God's Two Witnesses 3 1/2 year ministry that these world leaders will rejoice greatly in their new godless leader's (aka -the Anti Christ) assassination of Almighty God's indestructible Two Witness's temporal demise (Rev. 11:2-7). So VEXED, so TORMENTED, so ENRAGE will this war ravished world and their leaders be at Almighty God's Two Witnesses and their RIGHTEOUS message that when their 3 1/2 year ministry finally comes to and end (Rev. 11:7) the world and its leaders will REJOICE exceedingly and give their FULL allegiance to the risen Beast (Anti Christ) who will now DOMINATE the world stage for the last 3 1/2 years (2 Thess. 2:8-12, Rev. 11:7-14, Rev. 13, Rev. 17:13-17).
The "SUPER NATURAL" of this seven year period will be as common as the "non-super natural" of our day. MOSES and ELIJAH (the Two Witnesses) will zealously protect Israel, EVEN in Israel's unbelieving state (Ezek. 39:26, Rev. 11:9) from the worlds enraged nations and demonic legions (Rev. 9, 11:5-6). It is our personal belief that Moses and Elijah (Almighty God's Two Witnesses) will be used of Almighty G-d to bring about the massive destruction of Gog of the land of Magog and his Islamic confederacy and armies (Ezek. 38-39, Rev.11:5-6).
As the Two Witnesses of Almighty God's ravished bodies lay in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days, the remaining world will EXCEEDINGLY rejoice and praise the Beast saying, "Who can make war with the beast? - Rev. 13:1-4)". However... the Two Witnesses greatest VICTORY is about to be seen! Can you imagine the glorious godless mood of the world at this time when these Two Men are finally disposed of? In the world's godless hearts and minds there is now no limit to what their godless imaginations will take them, for they TRULY believe that they have finally rid the world of Almighty God and His Two Witnesses (Gen.11:6, 2 Thess. 2:8-12, Rev. 11:10-13).
"And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." Rev. 11:10-13
With Moses and Elijah's resuscitation and ascension in front of all their enemies into Almighty God's presence they have now WONDROUSLY confirmed and affirmed all of what they have stated for the last 3 1/2 years! All what they have stated WILL come to pass and the Devil himself can NEVER stop it (Dan. 43-44, 7:13-14, Rev. 11:15, 17:17, 19:11:21, 20:1-10)! What is most astounding and amazing about this future event is that the godless world leaders and their peoples at this time will NOT repent, but sell their souls to the Anti Christ and partake of the abomination which leads to ETERNAL desolation all the way to the Battle of Armageddon and ETERNAL Damnation (Zech.14:1-4, 2 Thess. 2:8-12, Rev. 14:9-11, 16:13-16, 19:11-21).
WOE, WOE, WOE.... to those in that Day!
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
They were mostly dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead.
no offense taken, but i hope you don’t take offense when i say that many false teachers have arisen and have fooled many.
the whole Bible, from Genesis to Revelation tells the story of God’s love for His people, namely the gift of salvation in the person of Jesus Christ.
where many go wrong is not realizing the OT is full of types and shadows looking forward to the promised birth, death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is the seed of Abraham and anyone who is Christ’s is an heir to all the promises made to Abraham and Israel in the OT.
national Israel, the OT equivalent or type of the Church, was cursed and the kingdom removed from them for unbelief. ( Mark 11:12-25 and Matthew 21:43 )
there were and always have been individual Jews who believe Jesus was sent from the Father and is their Messiah, but the vast majority throughout the NT time period rejected Jesus, including through today. only those who are Christ’s are heirs to the promises to Abraham,( Galatians 3:29 ) and the true Jew is one inwardly, one who is a believer in Jesus and not a literal Jew according to the flesh ( Romans 2:29 )
the book of Revelation is highly symbolic and must be read the way the rest of the Bible is read, what does it mean in salvation history? it is much too long to explain in a post on FR, but simply put the two witnesses are the Church, which was sent out by Jesus to plunder Satan’s kingdom after Jesus bound Satan at the cross. right before the end of the world, the period i believe we are in now and have been since Vatican II, Satan has been loosed and we are witnessing a mass apostasy from the true Faith and Satan actually sitting in the temple of God ( the temple being the Church, not some brick and mortar structure in literal Jerusalem, that is an impossibility )the world is rejoicing that the testimony of the Church has been effectively silenced through false doctrine of Vatican II and the various scandals in the Church. there is still a remnant that still holds to the historical Apostolic Faith, and we have been told to flee to the mountains, which i understand to mean pray and keep your eyes looking up, because Jesus Christ is surely returning soon to take away the believers in the air at the end of the world.
There’s not a verse of Scripture that says that the “two witnesses” will say a single word on the topic of infant baptism.
1. We thank thee, O God, for a prophet
To guide us in these latter days.
We thank thee for sending the gospel
To lighten our minds with its rays.
We thank thee for every blessing
Bestowed by thy bounteous hand.
We feel it a pleasure to serve thee
And love to obey thy command.
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“prophesy” does not mean saying something we have not heard yet, in fact, since revelation ended with the death of the Apostle John, we have the complete Word of God and we are not to be looking for new revelation ( sorry Joseph Smith )
prophesy means to declare the Word of God, not come with new revelation or predict the future.
the “it’s not in the Bible crowd” will call them false prophets if what they say doesn’t match up with the Apostolic Faith because they will indeed be false prophets ( sorry Joseph Smith )
we already have Moses and the prophets, if people will not listen to them they will not believe if someone were to rise from the dead ( Luke 16:31 )
by “teaching correct doctrine” do you mean:
1. God the Father had sexual relations with Mary?
2. the Jesus is the brother of the devil?
3. that we can become “God” ourselves someday?
question for TIF and F15:
how will we know it is Moses and Elijah? no one living has ever seen them, do we take their word?
what will Moses and Elijah preach? will they preach Jesus Christ as Messiah to national Israel?
why if Jesus said Himself that the people have Moses and the prophets and will NOT believe even if someone were to come back from the dead, why send Moses and Elijah AGAIN??
Jesus already said they will not be believed!
And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.(Luke 21:24)
God is not finished with Israel.
Romans 11:
19 You will say then, Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in. 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
Of course Paul is mentioning Gentiles and Jews in the above passage.
You have stated to approach Revelation carefully because it is symbolic. I agree there are symbols in Revelation, however, like the OT prophecies Revelation will be 100% fulfilled as stated. God, as you would agree, has a 100% fulfillment rate:) That goes for OT prophecies yet to be fulfilled that are intended for Israel.
I understand your point about the seed of Abraham in the fulfillment of Jesus Christ. There is no other way to salvation other than in Jesus Christ. Where I part company is where it is stated Israel=Church. One can draw some very logical conclusions that is so, IF Revelation was never revealed. My point? We would all agree to some varying degree that Revelation was penned sometime after Pentecost and before the end of the 1st Century by John an apostle of Jesus Christ. When John received the Revelation, we would also agree the Church, the Body of Christ was already established as being apart from Israel and the Temple worship (even more so after the Temple destruction in 70 AD). Why then does Revelation not say Church when it says Israel? God goes into such detail on naming the tribes of Israel in Revelation 7. Why not just name the bishops or church regions etc. Why Israel if God did not mean Israel? Thought provoking.
Also interesting is the fact that any mention to church or churches are no longer seen after chapter 3 in Revelation. After that we have references to the scene in Heaven, the 24 elders, "the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb", "the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held", the sealed of Israel in chapter 7, "chosen" (elect) and "faithful" are named. No hint after chapter 4 of church or "ekklesia". Also, thought provoking.
For us to hand wave Revelation as a giant book of symbols is error in my opinion. For in Revelation we have the following in Chapter 4 before all the otherworldy stuff begins:
After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.
One thing is CERTAIN. Whoever the two witnesses are, they are literally witnesses and literally two people. Just as John the Baptist was a real man. Another CERTAINTY is they will proclaim the same Faithful and True message the apostles delivered-—The Gospel of Jesus Christ crucified, died, buried and three days later rose from the dead.
If they don’t preach the shed Blood of Jesus Christ “cleanseth us from all sin” and the Resurrection, then such “witnesses” are false.
Revelation 11:
9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow[d] their dead bodies to be put into graves.
Yep everyone will see them and we do have the technology for this to happen now.
Where there prophets on earth with Christ? If so, who were they?
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