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The "Apocrypha": Why It's Part of the Bible
Biblical Evidence for Catholicism ^ | Friday, November 10, 2006 | Dave Armstrong

Posted on 10/28/2013 12:50:17 PM PDT by GonzoII

(Bible verses: RSV)

The Old Testament in Catholic Bibles contains seven more books than are found in Protestant Bibles (46 and 39, respectively). Protestants call these seven books the Apocrypha and Catholics know them as the deuterocanonical books. These seven books are: Tobit, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus (or, Sirach), and Baruch. Also, Catholic Bibles contain an additional six chapters (107 verses) in the book of Esther and another three in the book of Daniel (174 verses). These books and chapters were found in Bible manuscripts in Greek only, and were not part of the Hebrew Canon of the Old Testament, as determined by the Jews.

All of these were dogmatically acknowledged as Scripture at the Council of Trent in 1548 (which means that Catholics were henceforth not allowed to question their canonicity), although the tradition of their inclusion was ancient. At the same time, the Council rejected 1 and 2 Esdras and the Prayer of Manasses as part of Sacred Scripture (these are often included in collections of the "Apocrypha" as a separate unit).

The Catholic perspective on this issue is widely misunderstood. Protestants accuse Catholics of "adding" books to the Bible, while Catholics retort that Protestants have "booted out" part of Scripture. Catholics are able to offer very solid and reasonable arguments in defense of the scriptural status of the deuterocanonical books. These can be summarized as follows:

1) They were included in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament from the third century B.C.), which was the "Bible" of the Apostles. They usually quoted the Old Testament scriptures (in the text of the New Testament) from the Septuagint.

2) Almost all of the Church Fathers regarded the Septuagint as the standard form of the Old Testament. The deuterocanonical books were in no way differentiated from the other books in the Septuagint, and were generally regarded as canonical. St. Augustine thought the Septuagint was apostolically-sanctioned and inspired, and this was the consensus in the early Church.

3) Many Church Fathers (such as St. Irenaeus, St. Cyprian, Tertullian) cite these books as Scripture without distinction. Others, mostly from the east (for example, St. Athanasius, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, St. Gregory Nazianzus) recognized some distinction but nevertheless still customarily cited the deuterocanonical books as Scripture. St. Jerome, who translated the Hebrew Bible into Latin (the Vulgate, early fifth century), was an exception to the rule (the Church has never held that individual Fathers are infallible).

4) The Church Councils at Hippo (393) and Carthage (397, 419), influenced heavily by St. Augustine, listed the deuterocanonical books as Scripture, which was simply an endorsement of what had become the general consensus of the Church in the west and most of the east. Thus, the Council of Trent merely reiterated in stronger terms what had already been decided eleven and a half centuries earlier, and which had never been seriously challenged until the onset of Protestantism.

5) Since these Councils also finalized the 66 canonical books which all Christians accept, it is quite arbitrary for Protestants to selectively delete seven books from this authoritative Canon. This is all the more curious when the complicated, controversial history of the New Testament Canon is understood.

6) Pope Innocent I concurred with and sanctioned the canonical ruling of the above Councils (Letter to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse) in 405.

7) The earliest Greek manuscripts of the Old Testament, such as Codex Sinaiticus (fourth century), and Codex Alexandrinus (c.450) include all of the deuterocanonical books mixed in with the others and not separated.

8) The practice of collecting these books into a separate unit dates back no further than 1520 (in other words, it was a novel innovation of Protestantism). This is admitted by, for example, the Protestant New English Bible (Oxford University Press, 1976), in its "Introduction to the Apocrypha," (p.iii).

9) Protestantism, following Martin Luther, removed the deuterocanonical books from their Bibles due to their clear teaching of doctrines which had been recently repudiated by Protestants, such as prayers for the dead (Tobit 12:12, 2 Maccabees 12:39-45 ff.; cf. 1 Corinthians 15:29), intercession of dead saints (2 Maccabees 15:14; cf. Revelation 6:9-10), and intermediary intercession of angels (Tobit 12:12,15; cf. Revelation 5:8, 8:3-4). We know this from plain statements of Luther and other Reformers.

10) Luther was not content even to let the matter rest there, and proceeded to cast doubt on many other books of the Bible which are accepted as canonical by all Protestants. He considered Job and Jonah mere fables, and Ecclesiastes incoherent and incomplete. He wished that Esther (along with 2 Maccabees) "did not exist," and wanted to "toss it into the Elbe" river.

[Later clarifying note, added on 9-13-07: the red words I no longer agree with, as stated, based on subsequent in-depth research that I have undertaken since 1994, when this was written (perhaps it was written as early as 1991). Like any careful, conscientious researcher, I sometimes (gladly) modify -- even sometimes reverse -- earlier understandings with further study. For my current opinions on Luther and the canon, see:

Luther's Outrageous Assertions About Certain Biblical Books

Did Martin Luther Deny the Canonicity of Esther? ]


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The New Testament fared scarcely better under Luther's gaze. He rejected from the New Testament Canon ("chief books") Hebrews, James ("epistle of straw"), Jude and Revelation, and placed them at the end of his translation, as a New Testament "Apocrypha." He regarded them as non-apostolic. Of the book of Revelation he said, "Christ is not taught or known in it." These opinions are found in Luther's Prefaces to biblical books, in his German translation of 1522.

[Later clarifying note, added on 9-13-07: Luther softened or rejected these more radical opinions in later, revised prefaces, some 20 years later, so that I would write this portion of my first book differently today, in light of my research done since 1994]
12) Although the New Testament does not quote any of these books directly, it does closely reflect the thought of the deuterocanonical books in many passages. For example, Revelation 1:4 and 8:3-4 appear to make reference to Tobit 12:15:St. Paul, in 1 Corinthians 15:29, seems to have 2 Maccabees 12:44 in mind. This saying of Paul is one of the most difficult in the New Testament for Protestants to interpret, given their theology:

This passage of St. Paul shows that it was the custom of the early Church to watch, pray and fast for the souls of the deceased. In Scripture, to be baptized is often a metaphor for affliction or (in the Catholic understanding) penance (for example, Matthew 3:11, Mark 10:38-39, Luke 3:16, 12:50). Since those in heaven have no need of prayer, and those in hell can't benefit from it, these practices, sanctioned by St. Paul, must be directed towards those in purgatory. Otherwise, prayers and penances for the dead make no sense, and this seems to be largely what Paul is trying to bring out. The "penance interpretation" is contextually supported by the next three verses, where St. Paul speaks of "Why am I in peril every hour? . . . I die every day," and so forth.

As a third example, Hebrews 11:35 mirrors the thought of 2 Maccabees 7:29:

13) Ironically, in some of the same verses where the New Testament is virtually quoting the "Apocrypha," doctrines are taught which are rejected by Protestantism, and which were a major reason why the deuterocanonical books were "demoted" by them. Therefore, it was not as easy to eliminate these disputed doctrines from the Bible as it was (and is) supposed, and Protestants still must grapple with much New Testament data which does not comport with their beliefs.

14) Despite this lowering of the status of the deuterocanonical books by Protestantism, they were still widely retained separately in Protestant Bibles for a long period of time (unlike the prevailing practice today). John Wycliffe, considered a forerunner of Protestantism, included them in his English translation. Luther himself kept them separately in his Bible, describing them generally as (although sub-scriptural) "useful and good to read." Zwingli and the Swiss Protestants, and the Anglicans maintained them in this secondary sense also. The English Geneva Bible (1560) and Bishop's Bible (1568) both included them as a unit. Even the Authorized, or King James Version of 1611 contained the "Apocrypha" as a matter of course. And up to the present time many Protestant Bibles continue this practice. The revision of the King James Bible (completed in 1895) included these books, as did the Revised Standard Version (1957), the New English Bible (1970), and the Goodspeed Bible (1939), among others.

15) The deuterocanonical books are read regularly in public worship in Anglicanism, and also among the Eastern Orthodox, and most Protestants and Jews fully accept their value as historical and religious documents, useful for teaching, even though they deny them full canonical status.

It is apparent, then, that the Catholic "case" for these scriptural books carries a great deal of weight, certainly at the very least equal to the Protestant view.

Written in 1996 by Dave Armstrong. Included in A Biblical Defense of Catholicism: pp. 259-264.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; deuterocanonicals; scripture
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To: dangus

No I did not make that claim. I posted the Hebrews reference and said the historical context was derived from the names and periods mentioned at the beginning of the passage.

I am sorry dangus, the only one stretching data here is you. I have pointed out several times none of your claims can be substantiated from the Apocrypha. There was nothing “precisely” presented from the Apocrypha in your arguments.


141 posted on 10/30/2013 1:20:55 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: vladimir998

Ah, I see. I can listen to opposing views without being insulted, so it would still be interesting for me to have a look at it.


142 posted on 10/30/2013 1:43:17 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: redleghunter; smvoice

I respect the RM as well. My offending posts were pulled. Notice how much objection I have put up.


143 posted on 10/30/2013 2:31:17 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: redleghunter

Thanks for the work. i wanted to go thru all this, but time, energy.

Note that Tobit is quite a tale, with a a women, Sarah, who has lost seven husbands because Asmodeus, the demon of lust, and ‘the worst of demons’, abducts and kills every man she marries on their wedding night before the marriage can be consummated! The women at the well had nothing on her.

And a man, Tobias, who was sleeping with his eyes open while birds dropped dung into in his eyes (sound sleeper!) and blinded him. And who later is attacked by a fish leaping out of the river to devour him. But Raphael has him capture it and later he burns the fish’s liver and heart to drive away the demon Asmodeus away to Upper Egypt, enabling him and Sarah to consummate his marriage.


144 posted on 10/30/2013 2:41:28 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: OldNewYork; GeronL
The other side of the account can be seen here .
145 posted on 10/30/2013 2:48:49 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

How dare you!


146 posted on 10/30/2013 2:49:40 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Always good to see more than one side


147 posted on 10/30/2013 3:05:20 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: narses
I would suggest before you post any more parroted polemics using Luther, be aware many lack documentation or are like atheists using words of Scripture out of context (Paul called the Cretans gluttons and liars!) do some research such as here first.

Not that this excuses things Luther should not have said, but which is of no consequence to us, as unlike RCs, we do not follow men as popes.

However, if you want to invoke Luther and the Jews regarding his latter exasperated negativity,

then do the same with some of your

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148 posted on 10/30/2013 3:08:03 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

149 posted on 10/30/2013 5:28:46 PM PDT by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: daniel1212

Interesting to consider, thanks for the link. It’s a bit beyond my depth and it seems to be attempting to repudiate some onus assumed in Catholics toward Lutherans or other Protestants, which I don’t think I really have. I think the argument could go back and forth though, pointing out fallibility in the other but ignoring it in the self. Someone said something about motes and beams once, if I remember correctly. I remember hearing about the Torah or Pentateuch being the first five books of the Bible, and most important to Jews, which isn’t to say the other books of the Old Testament aren’t important to them. Interesting about the Book of Esther, and also interesting learning that Revelations wasn’t considered canonical in every list, so thanks for the information to ponder at some time when I have that luxury.


150 posted on 10/31/2013 1:50:03 AM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: narses

Yup; that’s foot sized all right!


151 posted on 11/23/2013 4:26:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter
You were the poster who brought up his name. You used his name as a broad sweep against Christians. Please revisit your post.

I'm a month late to this party, and have NO idea what has already been 'discussed'; for this thread fell into the Swiss Cheese Machine!

IE - tain't nuttin' to re-visit, or much of anything else; either!

152 posted on 11/23/2013 4:30:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter
I am really not interested in inflammatory comic tracts or pictures.

Oh!

Now I'm pretty sure of just what 'NAME' is being vaguely referred to!

153 posted on 11/23/2013 4:32:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: smvoice
And we ALL know who that was.

I only know by hearsay; so my testimony is inadmissible in court.

154 posted on 11/23/2013 4:33:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses
Certain cereal pictures are NOT inflammatory!




155 posted on 11/23/2013 4:37:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998; Jim Robinson
Well, you thought you were a “non-denominational Christian” but apparently to someone in this thread you must be a liberal or Catholic.

I had gotten that idea from somewhere and have spread it around a bit.

Sorry, Jim, for spreading wrong information about you.

156 posted on 11/23/2013 4:40:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Think up insults that actually apply!

Like...




157 posted on 11/23/2013 4:42:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter; restornu; teppe; Normandy
If you want to start a thread on Enoch and works based salvation please do so.

And tick off the MORMONS???

158 posted on 11/23/2013 4:43:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses
by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)




 

  To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

   Greetings.

 24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

   Farewell.

159 posted on 11/23/2013 4:48:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses
It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us ...


Us = Early Church Fathers: CATHOLICS if you believe the story...

160 posted on 11/23/2013 4:51:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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