Posted on 10/15/2013 3:21:28 PM PDT by NYer
we agree with what luther is right on and reject what he is wrong on, and to determine that we test his words by what the bible says.
that was made explicitly to John to physically take care of his mother. not as a fighurative claim/command to all christians that Mary was their mother.
darn right she was. and God used her in His plans anyway, just as he’s used all great saints and every other believer.
-— , I reject what the Roman Catholics have turned Mary into. ——
You mean, the Mother of God? That’s quite an exalted role in human history, isn’t it?
” My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has been mindful of the humble state of his servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed, for the Mighty One has done great things for me—holy is his name.”
i reject your own-worded description. i was clear in what i said. all your dogma about her is extra-biblical and unsupported.
Does she deserve more honor than Moses, Paul, John the baptist, King David or Daniel?
No...they will continue in Heaven
AMEN, 10 years ago we could almost have actual doctrinal discussions. Those days are over.
Unlike the Catholics and Mormons I see no reason to believe that humans will assume qualities of Deity like omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence.
We will have perfect bodies because they won't be tainted by sin but qualities of Deity? No...we will still be human.
Nice post and not snarky.
When you find Luther’s “Bible alone” theory in the Bible, let me know.
Until then, “if he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.”
And what if the “church” BECOMES the pagan or tax collector? Through NOT following the Bible alone as its sole authority, but inventing doctrines and traditions meant to strip the “faithful” of their time, money, and goods? We know we haven’t seen THAT before. Past, present, and future of the “church of man-made doctrines”.
There is only 1church, there are many flavors. As long as salvation through Christ alone is preached, it’s a Christian Church.
Of course we honor Mary. Same as we honor all the other children of God throughout the Bible, and each other. But we don’t worship them and put our trust in them for our salvation.
Papists think that if we don’t kneel before altars of Mary, offer incense and confess Mary as our savior, that we must not honor her. It’s the same reaction the old Pagans probably used to have if you didn’t worship their particular deity, but preferred maybe Jove or some other god to give your attention to.
“When you find Luther’s “Bible alone” theory in the Bible, let me know.”
Wow, you literally say this in every thread. Have you noticed that? I feel bad for Catholics. They’re so Bible-illiterate that they only have one or two catch phrases to use when they’re baiting Christians for not being idolaters just like them.
Before or after he rejected common Catholic heresies?
How is kneeling before her graven image, surrounded by candles and music, unabashedly praying to her, asking for favors & forgiveness & guidance, promising devotion, and declaring her perfection & power & worth, anything BUT worship?
“When you find Luther’s “Bible alone” theory in the Bible, let me know.”
You forgot “sola fide” and “sola gratia”. Meanwhile I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.
Why? Because it’s the Achilles heel of Protestantism.
Which Bible should we follow? The Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant Canon? “The Bible” can’t answer that question. The answer to that question requires an extra-biblical authority.
Similarly, it’s logically impossible for any passage in the Bible to refer to the entire Bible, because the books of the Bible weren’t collected until long after each of the books were written.
So Catholics find it ironic that Protestants criticize Catholic doctrines that aren’t explicitly stated in the Bible. even though Luther’s doctrine of “the Bible alone,” as the sole rule of faith, isn’t in the Bible.
You may not understand this argument, but that won’t prevent me from making it, when Protestants accuse Catholics of holding extra-biblical doctrines.
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