Posted on 10/09/2013 8:25:55 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Interesting perspective on things.
I am in the middle of reading quite a few encyclicals. So far, I have read “Quo Primum,” “Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio,” “In Eminenti Apostolatus Specula,” 38 of the 58 sections of “Pascendi Dominici Gregis,” “Apostolicae Curae,” “Mirari Vos,” “Quanta Cura,” and “Mediator Dei.” I have 13 to go, at least for now. When one actually reads - and studies - the Encylicals, one realizes that everything since Vatican II has been/is heresy. It is difficult to comprehend, but one must not resort to intellectual dishonesty in order to make excuses. I trust that Jesus will keep at least a remnant of the Church pure as He promised St. Peter when He gave Him the Keys.
IMO it's imprecise to speak of "a remnant of the church". The remnant IMO is the church. The larger portion are unredeemed pretenders who dwelt within the church, according to the apostle John (1 John 2:19).
My thoughts exactly.
I'll keep that in mind next time some Catholic tells me I'm headed there.
Mock away.
Jesus fasted.
HE taught that WHEN we fast, as if He expected it to be the typical practice of His followers.
FWIW, fasting works.
Jesus taught about hell. HE warned people to believe or perish.
But it wasn't a threat, it was a warning.
It would be unconscionable to not warn people of hell for rejecting Jesus.
Proselytism: When you try to convert me.
It just depends on how offended the person being evangelized is feeling.
*snicker*
No we don't. That's the lie of the enemy. *You shall be as gods....*.
Only those who are believers and have Christ dwelling in their hearts through faith, who are the temple of the Holy Spirit, have God in them.
The bolded is modernism. And yes, I agree that this is what Francis is saying....heresy. From Pascendi Dominici Gregis (Pope Pius X, 1907):
14. Thus far, Venerable Brethren, We have considered the Modernist as a philosopher. Now if We proceed to consider him as a believer, and seek to know how the believer, according to Modernism, is marked off from the philosopher, it must be observed that, although the philosopher recognizes the reality of the divine as the object of faith, still this reality is not to be found by him but in the heart of the believer, as an object of feeling and affirmation, and therefore confined within the sphere of phenomena; but the question as to whether in itself it exists outside that feeling and affirmation is one which the philosopher passes over and neglects. For the Modernist believer, on the contrary, it is an established and certain fact that the reality of the divine does really exist in itself and quite independently of the person who believes in it. If you ask on what foundation this assertion of the believer rests, he answers: In the personal experience of the individual. On this head the Modernists differ from the Rationalists only to fall into the views of the Protestants and pseudo-mystics. The following is their manner of stating the question: In the religious sense one must recognize a kind of intuition of the heart which puts man in immediate contact with the reality of God, and infuses such a persuasion of God's existence and His action both within and without man as far to exceed any scientific conviction. They assert, therefore, the existence of a real experience, and one of a kind that surpasses all rational experience. If this experience is denied by some, like the Rationalists, they say that this arises from the fact that such persons are unwilling to put themselves in the moral state necessary to produce it. It is this experience which makes the person who acquires it to be properly and truly a believer.
I still find myself making similar mistakes when reading errors. I have to remind myself that the writer (ie.Pope) is not agreeing with the statement, but pointing it out and calling it heresy.
LOL @ Paul VI abolishing the Oath Against Modernism.
Maybe the Pope longs for the good old days when the Catholic church could evangelize with sword and convert those evil proselyting heretics.
eh? you are not making sense
What exactly were you laughing at?
Have you ever read the “Oath Against Modernism?” Dear Pope St. Pius X was trying to root it out of seminaries, schools, from the pulpit, out of dioceses, and out of the Vatican. It covered everyone who had any influence. The fact that Pope Paul VI did away with people having to take the Oath is evidence that a) he didn’t care if Modernism infected the Church and b) probably crossed his fingers when he signed the Oath himself.
There’s a huge difference between me choosing to fast as part of prayer, and someone being starved to death.
Those millions who died from being starved to death, did not choose to fast.
If you cannot distinguish between the two, you have bigger issues than you realize.
Nanette, I have been agreeing with you. Why would you take the LOL in a negative fashion? I’m laughing at the absurdity of Paul VI abolishing this oath...and then proceeding to allow modernism into the Church.....directly and indirectly.
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