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There is something strange going on in the Vatican
LifeSiteNews ^ | Mon Oct 07, 2013 | Hilary White, Rome Correspondent

Posted on 10/09/2013 8:25:55 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

There is something strange going on in the Vatican

by Hilary White, Rome Correspondent



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: papacy; pope; popefrancis; vatican
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To: oh8eleven

Prayer and fasting helps one’s soul, and the souls for whom they pray. I haven’t avoided your question.


101 posted on 10/09/2013 4:07:07 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: BlueDragon

BlueDragon:

I don’t see many Catholic here consistently starting posts that hammer Protestants. On the other hand, I often do see it from the FR Protestants of a certain stripe.

For the record, I have never started a thread that represents any branch of Protestantism and what it professes. For the record, It would be impossible for me to track down all the competing doctrines at the “Confessional or Institutional level” from all the competing Protestant groups. I have, at times, not as frequent as I use to, corrected the constant misrepresentation of Catholic Doctrine which is a much different context than what you are hinting at with your post.

I don’t know how far back post histories go but anyone who has ever been in a thread with me, if they are honest, can confirm that I have never started a thread about a certain Protestant groups doctrine. Period.


102 posted on 10/09/2013 7:20:54 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Telling others they are going to Hell because of their faith is the epitome of modern day definitions of proselytism.

It's also evangelizing...The bible isn't all a one side lovey dovey book...We have to teach the 'whole' counsel of God, and that includes teaching about hell...

103 posted on 10/09/2013 7:40:15 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
Telling fellow committed Christians they are going to Hell may be a lot of things, but it ain't evangelizing.
104 posted on 10/09/2013 7:47:55 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

From the Syllabus of Errors, Pope Pius IX, Dec. 8, 1864:

15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. (Indifferentism and False Tolerance)


105 posted on 10/09/2013 8:32:44 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Please ping all those FReeper Catholics who have been defending the pope's statements or arguing with the rest of us that he's being misquoted by anti-Catholic news media and us “Catholic-hating” Protestants.
106 posted on 10/10/2013 12:59:09 AM PDT by HarleyD (...one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.)
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To: apillar

It’s not the toes he steps on I worry about; the man seems to be questionable regarding Catholicism IMO.


107 posted on 10/10/2013 1:06:01 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: yldstrk; boatbums; metmom; jodyel; smvoice; HarleyD
"cos the Bible tells me so"

Interesting. You seem to be sitting in judgment of the RCC's selection of a "pope" and determining that the Bible tells you everything is going to turn out all right, irrespective of what they have done. Such a position would imply that you have a personal interpretation of the Bible which overrides Rome, since Rome claims to control interpretation.

While you are using the same logic most biblicists use to evaluate Rome, you are certainly in conflict with the mother ship. They claim to have control over the interpretation of that Bible and would argue that they could not possibly make a mistake in selection. But, here you are saying the Bible trumps Rome...hmmm. Welcome to reality.

108 posted on 10/10/2013 8:05:06 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; CynicalBear; ...
Sala Stampa (Holy See Press Office)

Eh?

This could be fun.

109 posted on 10/10/2013 8:13:33 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: Dutchboy88

Boy, let’s welcome you to reality: the Bible is of the Church, the Church not springing from the Bible, difference between Catholics and Protestors


110 posted on 10/10/2013 8:13:44 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: metmom

Sounds like a lot of Catholics are getting the heeby jeebys.


111 posted on 10/10/2013 8:18:56 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: yldstrk

Yet, according to you the so-called “Church” of Rome may have made a mistake? And, you find that everything will be okay based upon the Bible...which they claim to control? So, they make a mistake you personally identify, but take comfort in an interpretation they don’t condone? I’m getting the popcorn.


112 posted on 10/10/2013 8:51:41 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Evangelism: When I try to convert you.

Proselytism: When you try to convert me.

Of course, Catholics engage in neither. Else they all might as well move to trailer parks.

113 posted on 10/10/2013 9:21:45 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Simply defending the Catholic Faith, especially in the face of blatant lies and distortions, is basic evangelization, apologetics and witnessing.

So that's what converted the Roman world, huh? Good to know none of those apostles actually went anywhere and challenged anyone.

114 posted on 10/10/2013 9:26:15 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: CTrent1564
proselytizing is . . . about scoreing points of getting someone to come to “my religion”

Evangelization is seen as revealing Christ by word and deed and let them encounter him thru his Bride the Church

In other words, "evangelization" is allowing people to come to you and ask to join, like a Masonic lodge.

So that's what Paul was doing in Athens.

115 posted on 10/10/2013 9:32:43 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; aMorePerfectUnion
The Pope is making a distinction between proselytizing and evangelizing. Its a distinction lost on most.

He is a Jesuit. No?

This form of parsing is Jesuitical.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
116 posted on 10/10/2013 9:41:40 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; nanetteclaret
Telling fellow committed Christians they are going to Hell may be a lot of things, but it ain't evangelizing.

Oh, I get it now. The trouble with Francis is that he's universalist outside chrstianity whereas Catholicism is universalist within chrstianity . . . right?

The Catholic Church has never at any time tried to convert non-Catholic chrstians. All you have to do is be "committed." Catholics don't try to convert Fundamentalist Protestants because the little dears are genetically defective (through no fault of their own; it's not their fault their parents were siblings) and could never comprehend so profound and intellectual religion as Catholicism. So G-d in his graciousness has provided defective, stupid churches for defective, stupid people who can never aspire to "the fullness of truth" because they're too stupid and inbred to believe in evolution and Biblical criticism. Catholics don't bother these unfortunate cretins by trying to convert them, but they will defend their magnificent yet incomprehensible doctrines should the morons, through their ignorance and their mistaken belief in "absolute truth," try to "correct" them.

Catholicism is for Italians, Irish, French, Hispanics, Poles, Hungarians, Nigerians, Vietnamese, and Filipinos. Inbred rednecks need not apply and need not expect any "evangelization," because they're "sincere chrstians," which is all that is required.

Hmm. Seems to me that the Catholic Church didn't always teach this. But then, what do I know? After all, I'm just an inbred moron with no genes from the Special, Chosen Catholic Nations.

117 posted on 10/10/2013 9:53:14 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: CTrent1564
I don’t see many Catholic here consistently starting posts that hammer Protestants. On the other hand, I often do see it from the FR Protestants of a certain stripe.

Let's see . . . I've seen Catholics refer to "fundies" (including you yourself), "snake-handlers," "Bible-thumpers," "Bible-bangers," "Bible-toters," and "brain dead bibliolators." I have never seen Protestants refer to Catholics as mackerel snappers" or "bead fumblers," though I have seen a few references to "Papists" and "Romanists."

Catholics may not engage in dialogue about doctrines, but they rule when it comes to ethno-cultural slurs.

118 posted on 10/10/2013 9:57:34 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I don’t think you understood my post. It is from the “Syllabus of ERRORS.” Pope Pius IX is listing all the errors of his time (which have continued up through our own time) and the one I posted was in the section on Indifferentism and False Tolerance. This error is pretty much what Pope Francis said the other day about everyone trying to find the “good.” or whatever. Ergo, the Pope is spouting Heresy.

He speaks as if he has never read one Encyclical in his life. Jesuits are supposed to be educated, but he gives no evidence of having studied any of the writings of previous Popes.

P.S. I had to read your post three times in order to wade through your emotional invective to try to figure out what you were trying to say. I’m still not sure I understood you. Next time, you might want to be less emotional and thus more succinct.


119 posted on 10/10/2013 10:08:34 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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It seems from this post and all the replies that Francis has indeed turned something upside down, much as John XXIII did.

I’m sure his goal is to save souls. He is simply starting from a different point. It seems to me that he truly believes in natural law, and that if you appeal to it in anyone, that person will respond—even if he is an atheist.

If you start arguing, or judging, you are off on the wrong foot.

Basically, he is saying our approach to the nonbeliever should be “Namas te,” “I see the God within you.” If this resonates, the hearer then has two choices: to respond to what he feels or knows is the true God within him, or to use the words as an excuse to do whatever he wants.

Those who make the first choice have been reached in a way that all the arguing in the world cannot accomplish.

We all have God within us. The job is to get through all the weeds and distractions to find it, in ourselves and possibly, with the grace of God, in others.


120 posted on 10/10/2013 10:16:14 AM PDT by firebrand (O)
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