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There is something strange going on in the Vatican
LifeSiteNews ^ | Mon Oct 07, 2013 | Hilary White, Rome Correspondent

Posted on 10/09/2013 8:25:55 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

There is something strange going on in the Vatican

by Hilary White, Rome Correspondent



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: papacy; pope; popefrancis; vatican
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Everyone needs to pray, fast, sacrifice ...
Really? WTH is any of that going to do?
61 posted on 10/09/2013 10:08:59 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

It is not as if President Obama is incapable of repentance. We should give thanks if/when he should understand and believe what the Church teaches. But . . . I do not fault anyone, including you, for being concerned.


62 posted on 10/09/2013 10:10:21 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: oh8eleven
Ruh-roh; that's why we're in the shape we are in; lots of people think like you do.

*grrrr* Bunch of lazy Christians imo. [Or maybe you are not a Christian?]
63 posted on 10/09/2013 10:18:12 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: oh8eleven
And He said to them, "Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. "But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting."
64 posted on 10/09/2013 10:19:21 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Thanks. I pray for his conversion, and if he will not convert, that he and those working with him against the Church and the culture of life, be confounded, a scripturally based approach.
65 posted on 10/09/2013 10:24:07 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

If the little islamist, planned parenthood and the homosexual lobby are praising the Pope, there is definitely a very serious problem at the Vatican.


66 posted on 10/09/2013 10:31:45 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Perhaps the context was the current Islamic situation?

Perhaps. But the problem is the central point of the article in the original post. The Pope himself, and the Vatican, have failed to clarify, or refute false notions, regarding what the Pope may have meant.

That gives ample ammunition to the enemies of the Truth.

67 posted on 10/09/2013 10:37:51 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
"Proselytism is what the Jehovah’s Witnesses do"

Its also the vast majority of postings on the Religion Forum from certain sectors."

Principally, the Roman Catholic group. Count the articles touting Rome, or the Pope, or the Medjagore apparition, or the Word of the Day, or...

68 posted on 10/09/2013 11:13:52 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Au contraire mon cheri.

If one were to tell Catholics they were going to Hell because of their beliefs, that might qualify as proselytism.

Simply defending the Catholic Faith, especially in the face of blatant lies and distortions, is basic evangelization, apologetics and witnessing.

Telling others they are going to Hell because of their faith is the epitome of modern day definitions of proselytism.

On the other hand, sometimes I’d like to see the Church return to her pre-VII understanding and defense and Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. All proselytism isn’t evil, but all false ecumenism is.


69 posted on 10/09/2013 11:20:28 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: nanetteclaret; pgkdan; mlizzy; sitetest
Casual Pope Puts Vatican On Alert With Quips by The Associated Press

Excerpt:

—Francis was asked June 7 why he chose to live in the Vatican hotel rather than the fancier Apostolic Palace where his predecessors lived. "If I was living alone, isolated, it wouldn't be good for me," he told students of Jesuit schools. "A professor asked me the same question, 'Why don't you go and live there (in the papal apartments)'? And I replied: 'Listen to me professor, it is for psychiatric reasons.'"

70 posted on 10/09/2013 11:33:56 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Psychiatric reasons??? Is he insinuating that solitude would drive him crazy? Wonder what the Desert Fathers would say to that pathetic excuse?

I have thought often of the Conclave and how someone reported seeing Cardinal Burke looking worried and praying his Rosary during the time before they were locked in.

The last 6 months have shown us why. I still pray for Cardinal Burke every day. As the Apostolic Signatura, he must have a GINORMOUS burden on his shoulders!


71 posted on 10/09/2013 11:47:03 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: cuban leaf
Why did God choose him then?

Although we are all called to trust in God's divine providence at all times, I am beginning to fear that this papacy may be the result of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI retiring prematurely. This current crisis may permitted only as a warning to future generations that the papacy is a lifetime appointment and that there should only be one Pope at a time.

72 posted on 10/09/2013 11:52:32 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

I intentionally did not capitalize “god”. I see choosing who wears the funny hat as the work of men, not God.


73 posted on 10/09/2013 11:55:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: nanetteclaret

Last week, one of the most liberal priests in this diocese was going around gloating because he had heard Pope Francis was removing Cardinal Burke soon. Lord help us if true.


74 posted on 10/09/2013 11:56:15 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

If he does that, then it will throw the Church into mega confusion. It will be Avingnon all over again. I was praying for Cardinal Burke to be elected our Pope and knew something was wrong when the white smoke went up. My first thought was, “It’s too soon. Something is wrong.” I don’t know why I thought that, but it popped into my head.

I have recently been reading many Papal Encyclicals such as “Quo Primum” and “Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio,” as well as Encyclicals against Modernism by Gregory XVI, Pius IX, Leo XIII, Pius XI, Pius XII as well as St. Pius X, all found in a book called “The Popes Against Modern Errors.” Much food for thought.

When one reads the actual encyclicals, one progresses natuarally to the conclusion that everything since Vatican II, including the Novus Ordo, is infected with the heresy of Modernism. The Encyclical “Cum Ex Apostolatus Offficio” deals with “what happens when the Pope or some other member of the clergy is a heretic?” Short answer: they have no authority and everything they say and do is null and void.


75 posted on 10/09/2013 12:10:44 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

This is basically how the Vatican would be run if Obama had been elected Pope.


76 posted on 10/09/2013 12:12:08 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: cuban leaf

“Why did god choose him then?”


As a practical joke! Err, uh, I mean, to try the faithful! Yeah, that’s what I’m going with.


77 posted on 10/09/2013 12:15:59 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Thank you for posting this. As a sympathetic Protestant, I am concerned about the utterances of Francis I and their impact on Christians in every church. He seems to be spreading confusion and doubt. I cannot accept that somehow everything he says is being mis-reported or mis-translated. There is something else at work here.

I deeply respected B14 and-despite the usual doctrinal objections, which are of no importance to this conversation-found his theology to be sound and clear-in short, a light in the darkness. With so many Protestant churches going wobbly and leaders going even wobblier it was good to have such a powerful voice for orthodoxy. I miss him greatly.

78 posted on 10/09/2013 12:21:42 PM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Just now cluing in to that?


80 posted on 10/09/2013 12:49:35 PM PDT by jodyel
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