[daniel1212]

Not sure what your argument is.

[Elsie]

Not sure what your argument is.

You said, ... i disagree with the premise that man is damned from birth due to Adam’s sin...

John 3:18 says:

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

I maintain that 'condemned already' IS the state of man due to Adam's sin.

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Romans 5:12 KJV

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

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Yeah, Catholics... this means MARY as well!