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Present Tribulation vs. Future Tribulation
bibleprophecyblog.com ^ | July 6, 2011 | Dr. Thomas Ice

Posted on 10/04/2013 2:11:50 PM PDT by jodyel

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To: Georgia Girl 2; jodyel
... Better start thinking about whether you will hold your little kid’s wrist out for the chip when the SHTF (prolly soon) and you have no food stored up so you are down at the football stadium at the mercy of the govt. ... GG2

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Matthew 6: 25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

41 posted on 10/04/2013 5:05:43 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: CynicalBear

The scriptures clearly say the trib is 3.5 years, beginning when the abomination stands on the holy place. That is prophesied to occur at Purim, and continue to Yom Teruah, 3.5 years later.

(Haman was the first to proclaim an annihilation of the Jews)

The guidance from Yehova is found in writing in the prophecies contained in his feasts which were commanded for “all the nations.”

If you do pray for that guidance, he surely will guide you to them.


42 posted on 10/04/2013 5:05:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

God only knows the timing but you are right that the signs are all in place. Fear not, God will not subject those who are His faithful to His wrath. The “mark of the beast” will be long after we true believers are out of here. The anti Christ will not even be revealed untill we are gone.


43 posted on 10/04/2013 5:06:08 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: editor-surveyor

Jesus told that generation that these things would happen in their day. I take Him at His word.


44 posted on 10/04/2013 5:10:26 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: WVKayaker; Georgia Girl 2; jodyel

>> “Matthew 6: 25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear...” <<

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Matthew 6 is not advise for the trib, any more than it is for our entire lives. He describes how his true sheep are to live. We are to be givers, not dependent takers from the world.


45 posted on 10/04/2013 5:12:21 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Hoodat

You’re going to have to read his word more completely if you are to “take him at his word.”


46 posted on 10/04/2013 5:14:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

It will not be God but the Anti Christ and Satan that will persecute the believers. Even Lazarus felt the true taste of death and I have not seen him walking around lately. We will all have the possibility of tasting death. But even if we do die in the fight we will be martyrs and be lifted up to the judgement seat and the great throne room. We will return with Christ for the millenial reign.


47 posted on 10/04/2013 5:16:05 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
>> There is no dying for your faith after the church is taken out.<<

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

The “church”, those who are true Spirit filled believers will be taken out prior to the last seven years God deals with the nation of Israel called the tribulation. It’s what is referred to as Daniels 70th week and the “day of the Lord” (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Joel 1:15, 2:1, 11, 31, 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2), trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:15), Great Tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the 7-year period (Matthew 24:21), time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15) and time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7)

After the rapture the anti Christ will sign a seven year treaty with Israel which will be that seven years of tribulation the last three and one half called the “great tribulation” during which the anti Christ will be set up in the new Temple proclaiming himself God. .

48 posted on 10/04/2013 5:16:50 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: editor-surveyor

“If that were true, he wouldn’t have advised on the importance of avoiding the mark, nor told of those that suffered for refusing it. (or offered an excuse for those marked against their will)”

Good point.


49 posted on 10/04/2013 5:18:30 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: editor-surveyor
"Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place."

-Matthew 24:34-
50 posted on 10/04/2013 5:18:54 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: CynicalBear; Georgia Girl 2

>> “Fear not, God will not subject those who are His faithful to His wrath.” <<

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That is an absolute fact!

They are not to be subject to Satan’s wrath either, (think Daniel in the Lions’ den, and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the furnace) the threat will be there, but we will be taken THROUGH it, as Noah, Daniel, & co. were taken through.


51 posted on 10/04/2013 5:19:54 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Hoodat

He was speaking of the sacking of Jerusalem.


52 posted on 10/04/2013 5:21:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Better do some study on Daniels 70th week. An understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 is necessary in order to understand the purpose and time of the Tribulation.


53 posted on 10/04/2013 5:24:53 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Read “Backwards” by J.S Clarke. Free on Smashwords.com


54 posted on 10/04/2013 5:26:02 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: editor-surveyor

“They are not to be subject to Satan’s wrath either, (think Daniel in the Lions’ den, and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the furnace) the threat will be there, but we will be taken THROUGH it, as Noah, Daniel, & co. were taken through”

I agree with you except there will be martyrs as it will be a fight to the death. But in the end Christ will prevail and there will be a remnant that will be pulled out.


55 posted on 10/04/2013 5:30:37 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: CynicalBear

I understand it deeply.


56 posted on 10/04/2013 5:31:11 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Hoodat; editor-surveyor
>> Jesus told that generation that these things would happen in their day.<<

No He didn’t. He said the generation that saw all the signs He was speaking of would not pass. Those signs did not happen back then but they are happening now.

57 posted on 10/04/2013 5:31:52 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Even the martyrs will feel no pain as they stand for Yeshua.


58 posted on 10/04/2013 5:34:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
>>It will not be God but the Anti Christ and Satan that will persecute the believers.<<

You can’t be serious. Satan causes all those catastrophes? Not likely. Better read Revelation through again.

Revelation 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

That ain’t Satan doing that.

59 posted on 10/04/2013 5:41:29 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Interesting. I never looked at it like that. Your point is well taken. Still either way, the whole tribulation/rapture bit does not even appear on my radar. The point is for us to have relationship with the Father now and plow forward with the kingdom of heaven in this life rather than turning our eyes away.


60 posted on 10/04/2013 5:43:06 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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