Prayer to St Michael the Archangel

“O Glorious Prince of the heavenly host, St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle and in the terrible warfare that we are waging against the principalities and powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against the evil spirits. Come to the aid of man, whom Almighty God created immortal, made in His own image and likeness, and redeemed at a great price from the tyranny of Satan.

“Fight this day the battle of the Lord, together with the holy angels, as already thou hast fought the leader of the proud angels, Lucifer, and his apostate host, who were powerless to resist thee, nor was there place for them any longer in Heaven. That cruel, ancient serpent, who is called the devil or Satan who seduces the whole world, was cast into the abyss with his angels. Behold, this primeval enemy and slayer of men has taken courage. Transformed into an angel of light, he wanders about with all the multitude of wicked spirits, invading the earth in order to blot out the name of God and of His Christ, to seize upon, slay and cast into eternal perdition souls destined for the crown of eternal glory. This wicked dragon pours out, as a most impure flood, the venom of his malice on men of depraved mind and corrupt heart, the spirit of lying, of impiety, of blasphemy, and the pestilent breath of impurity, and of every vice and iniquity.

“These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where the See of Holy Peter and the Chair of Truth has been set up as the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be.

“Arise then, O invincible Prince, bring help against the attacks of the lost spirits to the people of God, and give them the victory. They venerate thee as their protector and patron; in thee holy Church glories as her defense against the malicious power of hell; to thee has God entrusted the souls of men to be established in heavenly beatitude. Oh, pray to the God of peace that He may put Satan under our feet, so far conquered that he may no longer be able to hold men in captivity and harm the Church. Offer our prayers in the sight of the Most High, so that they may quickly find mercy in the sight of the Lord; and vanquishing the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, do thou again make him captive in the abyss, that he may no longer seduce the nations. Amen. V. Behold the Cross of the Lord; be scattered ye hostile powers. R. The Lion of the tribe of Judah has conquered the root of David. V. Let Thy mercies be upon us, O Lord. R. As we have hoped in Thee. V. O Lord, hear my prayer. R. And let my cry come unto Thee.

Let us pray. O God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, we call upon Thy holy Name, and as supplicants, we implore Thy clemency, that by the intercession of Mary, ever Virgin Immaculate and our Mother, and of the glorious St. Michael the Archangel, Thou wouldst deign to help us against Satan and all the other unclean spirits who wander about the world for the injury of the human race and the ruin of souls. Amen.”

I only read a few of these but each one that I read had some unbiblical untruth added to it...You ought to give credit to the source of this material since it's obvious you didn't write it...

Dan. 8:17 - Daniel fell down prostrate in veneration before the angel Gabriel.

And you are deceptively using this to prove that it's good to prostate yourself before angels and pray to them???

Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Christians DO NOT fall down and venerate or worship angels...You are teaching false doctrine...

Rev. 3:9 - Jesus said people would bow down before the faithful members of the church of Philadelphia. This bowing before the faithful is not worship, just as kissing a picture of a family member is not worship.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

What are you talking about??? The verse even uses the word worship...

1 Peter 2:17 - Peter teaches us to honor all men, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the emperor. Don’t those living with Christ in heaven deserve honor? Catholics believe they do, and honor them with special feast days, just as we honor those living by celebrating their birthdays.

No...Most of them could be in Hell at this very moment...No one in your religion knows who is in heaven...You may be having feast days for people in Hell...

James 5:14-15- James says the prayer of the priests over the sick man will save the sick man and forgive his sins.
This is a powerful example of men forgiving sins and bringing a person to salvation with the sacrament of the sick.

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

There are no priests in the verse and there is no salvation in the verse...

Matt. 5:44-45 - Jesus tells us to pray for (to mediate on behalf of) those who persecute us. God instructs us to mediate.

No, Jesus does not...

me·di·ate (md-t)
v. me·di·at·ed, me·di·at·ing, me·di·ates
v.tr.
1. To resolve or settle (differences) by working with all
the conflicting parties: mediate a labor-management
dispute.
2. To bring about (a settlement, for example) by working
with all the conflicting parties.
3. To effect or convey as an intermediate agent or
mechanism.
v.intr.
1. To intervene between two or more disputants in order to
bring about an agreement, a settlement, or a
compromise.
2. To settle or reconcile differences.
3. To have a relation to two differing persons or things.
adj. (-t) 1. Acting through, involving, or dependent on an
intervening agency. 2. Being in a middle position.

There is not a Catholic who ever lived who mediated between God and man...More deception...

Rev. 1:6, 5:10 - Jesus made us a kingdom of priests for God. Priests intercede through Christ on behalf of God’s people.

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

We're missing part of the verses aren't we??? What's up with corrupting and perverting the verses to make an untrue statement...

You notice that we will be priests and KINGS???

Obviously, those verses don't apply to you or anyone you know...

And on top of that, Jesus didn't make anyone a kingdom of Kings...It's all future...

1 Tim 2:1-2 - because Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), many Protestants deny the Catholic belief that the saints on earth and in heaven can mediate on our behalf. But before Paul’s teaching about Jesus as the “one mediator,” Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. Paul is thus appealing for mediation from others besides Christ, the one mediator.

Whoever wrote this to you is lying...And you repeat it...

There are no subordinate mediators...There are only intercessors...The Protestants are correct...The bible is correct...The Catholic religion is perverting the scriptures and deceiving Catholics...

1 Cor. 12:12,27; Rom. 12:5; Col. 3:15; Eph. 4:4 - we are the members of the one body of Christ, supernaturally linked together by our partaking of the Eucharist.

Of course this is untrue...Of all the scriptures you referenced here, no one mentions or hints at the Catholic fabricated Eucharist...

Rom. 8:35-39 - therefore, death does not separate the family of God and the love of Christ. We are still united with each other, even beyond death.

Those verses say absolutely nothing about death separating or not the family of God...That's not even the context...

Luke 15:7,10 – if the angels and saints experience joy in heaven over our repentance, then they are still connected to us and are aware of our behavior.

The author is making this up...

Luk 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

There is joy in the presence of the angels...Doesn't say anything about saints and it certainly gives no indication from the verse that because there is joy, saints are aware of anyone's behavior...

Heb. 12:1: we are surrounded by a great glory cloud (shekinah) of witnesses. The “cloud of witnesses” refers to the saints who are not only watching us from above but cheering us on in our race to heaven.

Oh it does not...

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

You Catholics have your dead friends and relatives hanging around in your living rooms, bedrooms and cars as you travel???

It is angels, not saints...

But this is how the entire piece runs...Twisting and fabricating untruths thruout...It's built for gullible, bible rejecting Catholics...Bible believing Christians however aren't phased at all by the deception...

Have you found Luther's doctrine of "the Bible alone" in the Bible yet? It's impossible, because the books of the Bible were compiled long after the books were written. No writing in an individual book could refer to the collective whole. Have you found Luther's doctrine of "the Bible alone" in the Bible yet?

Rather, "the Bible alone" is not be construed to mean that the Bible alone in the formal sense can be used to know and understand God's truth and will (which would even disallow reason), but that it alone is The infallible and sufficient standard for faith, salvation and obedience and growth in grace.

As such both formally provides the truth needed for salvation, so that a soul may read Acts 10:36-47 and be saved, and provide other texts for growing grace. In addition, it materially provides for helps in understanding, including the magisterium with its teachers (but not as assuredly infallible men who are the superior authority versus Scripture).

And in contrast to the alternative, that of the church via its magisterium being the supreme authority, it is abundantly evidenced that Scripture is the assured Word of God and transcendent standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims .

By which the stewards of Divine revelation and promises where reproved, by an itinerant Preacher whom they rejected. Thus the church began in dissent from those who thought more of themselves than what was written, (cf. 1Cor. 4:6), being corrected by those without it via Scripture, and thus the body of Christ has been preserved.

It's impossible, because the books of the Bible were compiled long after the books were written. No writing in an individual book could refer to the collective whole.

Rather than it being impossible, the fact is that Scripture provided for writings being recognized as Scripture (due to their unique Divine qualities) and authoritative (before a church of Rome would claim it is necessary to do so), as evidenced by the approx. 250 quotes in the NT. Thus in principle Scripture provided for more writings to be established as Scripture, as well as no more being like unto it, and thus for a canon of Scripture to be established.

Yet you hold to this non-scriptural doctrine, while condemning Church doctrines which aren't explicitly mentioned in scripture.

There is not real comparison, for you can only wish that PTDS had the support the core doctrines we concur on. And here it is well evidenced that Scripture was the transcendent standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims, and provides for recognition of writings as Scripture due to their qualities. One of which was conformity to what had prior been established by God's power, a test which PTDS dramatically fails, as in all of Scripture and its approx 100 prayers to Heaven, not one exists of prayer by believers to anyone else in Heaven but the Lord.

And not only does the Holy Spirit not provide any, but He Himself cries unto the Father, (Gal. 4:6) >and instructs us to do that same, (Mt. 6:9) and teaches that believers have direct access to God in the holiest of all, (Heb. 10:19)

and that there only one Heavenly intercessor btwn God and man, (1Tim. 2:5)

and who ever lives to make intercession for believers, (Heb. 7:25)

by whom they come directly to the throne of grace,

while the only example of prayer to someone else in Heaven (presumed) but the Lord was by pagans. (Jer. 44) All the texts you can muster on prayer and attempts to extrapolate PTDS from human relationships and bridge the manifest separation btwn the Heavenly and earthly realm (requiring one to be in either one for communication btwn created beings, unlike omnipresent God) cannot overcome the absence of even one example of PTDS, esp in the light of prayer being such a basic practice, and that it is contrary to the examples and instructions on who to address prayer ton Heaven to.

Nor is asking another believer on earth to pray for you the same as bowing and beseeching another believer in Heaven who can hear virtually infinite amounts of mental prayer addressed them him, which only God is shown being able to do. At best you can only hold PTDS as speculation, and less than departed saints or angels ordaining elders in Heaven or taking up collections.

And from #45,

The Church wrote, preserved and canonized the Bible. The Church is "the pillar and foundation of truth." Jesus had harsh words for those who would not listen to "the church."

Mere bluster, as (even if allowing for the first claim) this not only presumes that,

1. the stewards of Scripture are necessarily the perpetually infallible interpreters of it, which is untenable (and that Rome had an infallible indisputable canon prior to Luther's death over 1600 years after the last book was penned),

but that

2. the church of the living God being the pillar and foundation of truth means it is the supreme authority, not Scripture itself, which is extrapolation beyond what either stulos or zaō provide, while Rome seems more dead than living.

And

3, that Rome's claim to formal historical descent, or any claim to it, makes it the perpetual supreme infallible authority.

Why would the angels be excluded from the Mystical Body of Christ?

WHY? Because we see Scripture as the supreme authority, not Rome, yet which herself does not officially define the Body of Christ as consisting of angels as well. But RCs have great liberty to engage in private interpretation.

Scripture defines the Body of Christ as being the church, made up of redeemed souls,

"For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:" "For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones." (Ephesians 5:29-30)

And which body the Lord bought with His own sinless shed blood, and over whom elders/bishops oversee.

"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28)

In contrast to the "church of the firstborn," (Heb. 12:23) the angels of God are

"all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation" (Hebrews 1:14)

The term "communion of saints" therefore has two closely linked meanings: communion in holy things (sancta)" and "among holy persons (sancti)." Angels in heaven are holy persons

That is simply another example of the specious logic RC's typically employ, for having the common attribute of being holy does not make angels in Heaven to be saints of the body of Christ, His church.

And regardless even if they were, that does not mean they were prayed to in Scripture, so that they should be today, for which the Holy Spirit provides zero examples for, and instead only evidences prayer to Heaven addressed directly to God, and teaches the same.

So called "Scripture Catholic" has been shown to be a manifest abuser of Scripture texts in seeking to support traditions of men, the veracity of text which do not even rest on the weight of Scriptural support. And as this is done in condescension to evangelicals, due to his wresting of texts this is actually an argument against Rome.

I do not have the time or energy now will to once again go thru all his supposed proof texts, for as i said in #108

"All the texts you can muster on prayer and attempts to extrapolate PTDS from human relationships and bridge the manifest separation btwn the Heavenly and earthly realm (requiring one to be in either one for communication btwn created beings, unlike omnipresent God) cannot overcome the absence of even one example of PTDS, esp in the light of prayer being such a basic practice, and that it is contrary to the examples and instructions on who to address prayer ton Heaven to."

45 also applies here.

However, i will address on paragraph that i did skim over, which examples his sophistry:

Jesus says He can call upon the assistance of twelve legions of angels. If Jesus said He could ask for the assistance of angel saints, then so can we, who are called to imitate Jesus in word and in deed. And, in Matt. 22:30, Jesus says we will be “like angels in heaven.” This means human saints (like the angel saints) can be called upon to assist people on earth. God allows and encourages this interaction between his family members.

In-credible. Lacking even one example of praying to angels in Heaven or anyone else but the Lord, He carelessly enlists Mt. 26:53 to support praying to angel saints, yet the very example he invokes shows that the Lord, just as in the manner of prayer that He taught, and which Scripture supports, did not say He could pray to angels, but to His Father in Heaven!

In further carelessness or just blind zeal, he next enlists Matt. 22:30, in which Jesus says we will be “like angels in heaven,” and extrapolates from that this means human saints in Heaven can be also called upon to assist people on earth.

However, this argument fails as it is built upon the false premise that angels were prayed to, or that we can do what Scripture fails to mention regarding a basic spiritual practice (addressing prayer to Heaven), and instead only teaches directly addressing God and abundantly examples it. Moreover, the context of Matt. 22:30 and being like angels is that of not marrying marrying, while angels themselves are not shown being able to hear virtually infinite amounts of prayer in Heaven and personally responding to them. Fringe speculation at best but far from warranted doctrine.

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