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Why Pastors Won't Take a Stand
Renew America ^ | September 28, 2013 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 09/28/2013 6:21:38 PM PDT by WXRGina

I am constantly asked, "Chuck, why don't pastors take a stand and speak out?" I've been a pastor most of my adult life. I believe I am qualified to answer that question. Here is the stark reality: the vast majority of pastors today are "success" oriented. Beginning in Bible College or seminary, and continuing throughout a pastor's ministerial life, the emphasis is success. And that means church growth, larger congregations, bigger buildings, bigger offerings, burgeoning statistics, greater notoriety, denominational praise, invitations to speak at conferences, applause from fellow ministers, not to mention the financial perks and benefits that come with pastoring a "successful" church.

And the way to learn how to build a successful church is to learn from those who have done it. Pastors regularly attend church growth conferences to learn from the "big" church pastors on how it's done. They purchase books, magazines, newsletters, etc., that are all geared towards telling pastors how to build a successful church. They are constantly being schooled in the latest and greatest "how to" strategies of church growth and success. This usually entails more and more sophisticated programs, music, sound, lighting, atmosphere, classes, seminars, organization, etc. Everything, and I mean everything, is geared toward success as described in the aforementioned paragraph.

Most pastors today are in reality not spiritual shepherds as much as they are corporate CEOs. The same mentality, philosophy, and strategy that drive corporate boardrooms also drive the boardrooms of modern churches – to a tee. Pastors act like CEOs, dress like CEOs, talk like CEOs, manage like CEOs, and think like CEOs.

Dare I say that even the way pastors and churches cater, and "reach out," and "minister," etc., has mostly to do with "good business." Church members are babied and pacified and stroked and petted and fawned-over because it is "good business." Today's Christians are so spoiled and petted that any dereliction or lack of attention by a pastor, church, or staff usually results in them "moving their letter" down the street to a place that will more readily cater to their temperamental demands.

Have you not noticed how most pastors spiritualize away the great examples of Bible heroism and defiance against tyranny and despotism? Ask them point blank about Daniel and the lion's den or the three Hebrew children in the burning fiery furnace or Queen Esther or scores and scores of other acts of defiance lauded in Holy Writ and they will say, "That was another time." Or, they might say, "This shows God's great deliverance and protection." But the overriding principle that drove the great heroes of the faith to challenge and defy evil government is never even acknowledged, much less addressed.

The great lesson of the above-mentioned heroes and heroines is not that God delivered them, because many of them were NOT delivered. As Paul notes in Hebrews 11: "Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance...And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: they were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented...they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in caves of the earth." (Hebrews 11:35-38 KJV). The great lesson of the above-mentioned heroes and heroines is their willingness to defy evil authority – regardless of outcome. Listen to the three Hebrew children:

"Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter. If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden calf which thou hast set up." (Daniel 3:16-18 KJV)

These men knew that God COULD deliver them, but they did not know if He WOULD deliver them. And to them, it didn't matter: they were willing to defy the tyranny of King Nebuchadnezzar regardless. They were not going to bow to the unlawful, illegitimate authority of the state (in whatever form it appeared). That is the glaring lesson of every single one of these great stories of defiance.

Furthermore, most pastors and teachers absolutely refuse to tell the truth of Hebrews 11:34: "[They] waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens." This Biblical passage lauds the courage of past believers who took up the sword against tyrants and despots. In the same breath that Paul extolled the sacrifice of believers who were willing to die for their faith, he also extolled the bravery of believers who were willing to fight for their faith. But you NEVER hear that from the vast majority of pastors today.

If you hear any mention of, say, America's Founding Fathers from today's pastors, it is that the founders were wrong, that they violated Romans 13, that God did not lead them to declare independence and revolt against the British Crown. Such is the ignorance and cowardice of today's ministers.

And while we are on the subject, the misinterpretation of Romans 13 is one of the chief reasons why most pastors and churches are so utterly indifferent or nonplussed about resisting evil government. This is why my son and I coauthored the book, "Romans 13: The True Meaning of Submission." I encourage readers to get this book and share it with as many of your Christian friends as possible. In the book, Tim and I prove from the entire Bible – including Romans 13 – that nowhere does God expect (much less demand) believers to submit to evil, wicked authority.

Order the Romans 13 book here:
Romans 13 Truth

Tim (a constitutional attorney) and I coauthored a second book that is also relevant to this discussion. It is called "To Keep or Not To Keep: Why Christians Should Not Give Up Their Guns." This book searches the entire Bible and conclusively proves that self-defense is not only a God-ordained right; it is a God-ordained DUTY – and that Christians are totally justified in NOT surrendering their means of self-defense to any civil authority.

Order "To Keep or Not To Keep: Why Christians Should Not Give Up Their Guns" here:
Keep Your Arms

The fact is that all of these great Bible stories of lawful, God-ordained defiance of unjust authority are totally ignored by the vast majority of today's pastors and churches. None of these great Bible truths are made relevant to attempted acts of tyranny in today's America. None of them.

Again, it is all about success. To the average pastor, nothing is as anathema as controversy. And nothing is more controversial than politics. Therefore, pastors are taught to avoid politics like the plague. Of course, they won't tell you that the controversial nature of politics is the reason they avoid it; they will tell you that "God has not called me to get involved in politics," or, "I'm trying to build a church," or, "That's not our mission," or any number of other pious-sounding clichés. But the reality is they are trying to be successful, and they believe controversy hinders success.

That's also why you seldom, if ever, hear "hard" sermons from the modern pulpit – even though that is exactly the kind of sermons that Jesus Himself preached. (See John 6:60.) To the success-driven religious CEO, people must always feel good; they must be permanently ensconced in their comfort zone; and they must never be rebuked or informed of misconduct or irresponsibility. And as far as freedom goes, the shallowness of the average pulpit refuses to acknowledge the responsibility of the church to do anything to preserve it. All they talk about is praying for your political leaders and being good little subjects of the state.

Plus, don't forget that most churches are up to their eyeballs in debt. Therefore, pastors are afraid if they offend people, offerings will go down and they might not be able to pay for all of those fancy buildings and exorbitant staff – not to mention their own personal financial perks might be endangered.

And, yes, I must also add that the 501c3 non-profit tax-exempt status most churches operate under poses a serious intimidation against the pastor and church, which keeps them from taking a stand or speaking out on issues that might be construed as political.

But here is the bottom line: as long as Christians in the pews continue to attend and financially support these stand-for-nothing churches, the churches will continue to languish in their indifference. After all, by the attendance and offerings of all of these people in the pews, pastors are being continually convinced that everything they have been taught is working: their churches are successful.

The ONLY WAY Christians can start making a difference in their country is to GET OUT of these clueless, cowardly churches and find a pastor who is not afraid to be politically-incorrect, who is not afraid to preach and teach the biblical principles of liberty, and who is not afraid to preach and teach the principles of righteous defiance against any act of tyranny. Find a pastor who is not trying to be successful. You don't need a successful pastor; you need a truthful pastor.

But this means that people in the pews must truly WANT to be in a church that takes a stand, doesn't it? We have the kind of pastors and churches that we are willing to support. If that's the case, Christians should stop complaining about the indifference of their pastors and simply accept the imminent slavery to which they are being led.


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KEYWORDS: baldwin; christians; chuckbaldwin; cowards; mammon; pastors
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1 posted on 09/28/2013 6:21:38 PM PDT by WXRGina
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To: WXRGina

They have been castrated by the 501c3 tax status.
Mega “churches” are few.
It is the “garage churches” that are terrified, the ‘mega church’s’ more interested in stuff than Christ.


2 posted on 09/28/2013 6:31:22 PM PDT by svcw (obama lied my plan died)
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To: WXRGina

I expect my pastor to preach the Good News (Gospel) of Jesus Christ, and Him crucified, the Good News of Forgiveness and Redemption through faith in the vicarious atonement, which faith is itself a gift from God and not of my doing.

It is not the job of my pastor to fight my battle in the realm of worldly politics. It is my personal responsibility to draw the appropriate inferences from the Word of God and apply them to the affairs of the world.
Moreover, I am wary of endangering the tax exempt status that religious organizations (i.e., local congregations) have been granted.
Ephesians 2:8-10


3 posted on 09/28/2013 6:42:02 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: WXRGina

Rendering to Caesar was Jesus’ teaching on the separateness of the spiritual realm from the state.

I don’t believe Paul really said earthly governments are ordained of God to punish evil doers. Before his conversion, that’s what Saul thought he was doing, and much of the rest of his ministry was spent running from the law.

Much evil has come from that “governments ordained of God” statement such as the divine right of kings.......and nobles.....and bureaucrats.


4 posted on 09/28/2013 6:44:18 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: Elsiejay

Will be starting home a church this Sunday. Very much looking forward it.


5 posted on 09/28/2013 6:44:18 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: WXRGina

Think of “The Scarlet Letter” by Nathaniel Hawthorne and the spineless coward that pastor was. Yea most modern ones are like him, no backbone to get up and speak the truth


6 posted on 09/28/2013 6:44:59 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: svcw
There's a movement to push back against the unconstitutional shackles on churches' free speech. The lawless edict dates back to the LBJ administration.
7 posted on 09/28/2013 6:45:43 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: noprogs

Read the link in post #7. It was Christian pastors who led movements against tyranny in the past—especially during the founding of our nation. Don’t be deceived into thinking that Christians and pastors are called to be feckless sheep. Jesus is anything BUT that!


8 posted on 09/28/2013 6:49:14 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Elsiejay

“It is not the job of my pastor to fight my battle in the realm of worldly politics.”

I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. The pastor is the shepherd of his flock, and by necessity, as any good leader, he must lead by example to be believed. We need someone to go into the temple of the elites and overturn a few tables.
Chuck Baldwin gets it.


9 posted on 09/28/2013 6:51:20 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: noprogs

PS: Jesus NEVER taught separation of church and state in the way you interpret. If you truly understand His teachings, you will know that Christianity encompasses ALL of life.


10 posted on 09/28/2013 6:51:55 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: grumpygresh

“The pastor is the shepherd of his flock ....”

Amen, brother, the spiritual shepherd of the flock assigned to him in this earthly realm.


11 posted on 09/28/2013 6:57:42 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Elsiejay

This reply was meant for you:

Read the link in post #7. It was Christian pastors who led movements against tyranny in the past—especially during the founding of our nation. Don’t be deceived into thinking that Christians and pastors are called to be feckless sheep. Jesus is anything BUT that!


12 posted on 09/28/2013 6:59:21 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: grumpygresh
The pastor is the shepherd of his flock...

Only if you are a sheep, belonging to his "flock".

13 posted on 09/28/2013 7:04:21 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: WXRGina

Church and state operate in different realms.

There is no collective salvation via outlawing porn, gambling, drugs and regulation of alcohol etc. The government can’t save your soul via the fraud of force.

The church is called to care for the indigent, handicapped and helpless when their families are unable to do it. Not the government’s job.

Education of children is plainly laid on the parents, extended family and the church. Not the government’s job.

All our societal problems today have their roots in letting the government assume the duties the Bible plainly assigns to the church and home.

Maybe I didn’t imply the Biblical basis for separation of Church and State clearly enough, but there is a clear separation of duties in a society, and those distinctions should be made in the pulpit.


14 posted on 09/28/2013 7:06:00 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: WXRGina

Check out www.blackroberegiment/wallbuilders.com. Pastors led the way during our nation’s founding. Many liars have prevented the truth from coming out. (on tablet could not post link properly)


15 posted on 09/28/2013 7:10:47 PM PDT by madison10 (Dear Senator Cruz, Thank you.)
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To: WXRGina

“Religion today is not transforming people; rather it is being transformed by the people. It is not raising the moral level of society; it is descending to society’s own level, and congratulating itself that it has scored a victory because society is smilingly accepting its surrender.” A. W. Tozer


16 posted on 09/28/2013 7:12:06 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: noprogs

wow good post


17 posted on 09/28/2013 7:14:21 PM PDT by Undecided 2012
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To: Undecided 2012

Thanks. Maybe there will be a thread someday talking about what the government IS supposed to be doing.


18 posted on 09/28/2013 7:22:25 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: noprogs
Maybe I didn’t imply the Biblical basis for separation of Church and State clearly enough, but there is a clear separation of duties in a society, and those distinctions should be made in the pulpit.

There is no separation of Christian "duties" between freedom and tyranny. While we are certainly called to care for the needy and all you cite, Christians are also always called to oppose tyranny in the government realm. How many Scripture passages can you recall where the people of God stand, and are called to stand, against tyranny? Plenty!

19 posted on 09/28/2013 7:24:16 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina

ping


20 posted on 09/28/2013 7:28:00 PM PDT by not2be4gotten.com
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