Posted on 09/27/2013 1:26:05 AM PDT by jodyel
Faint not dear, and pray nightly that the words you post will be the words of God as He has revealed them. Your doing great. Press on with full confidence that the Holy Spirit will guide you when you seek Him. And don’t let the “love” perversion they spew get to you. It’s not love to allow someone to stay in ignorance when the truth must be spoken.
I sincerely do desire to be there on judgement day as Catholics give account of themselves but not for the reasons you think.Catholics will be held more accountable, because they have been given much, so they could get more heat, BUT why would you want to witness something so negative... if you're a Christian?
I hate to be that guy, but the condemnation of the damned isn’t something negative, it’s to the greater glory of God.
It’s negative IMO if you’re interested in seeing it happen to someone else...
So you think Satan can’t have people do miracles? Guess again.
Exodus 7:11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. 12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents:
Exodus 7:22: Satan’s minions turned water into blood.
The spirits of devils can do miracles.
Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Satan appears as an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Catholics like to brag about the good works they do and the miracles their so called saints have done.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The haughtyness of Catholics trying to impress because of good works and miracles is exposed by scripture. Don’t come to me and think I will be impressed.
Bears repeating with a highlight. Still Catholics will say they are already living and can hear and convey their prayers. The RCC lies.
I had no idea that popes were required to shout everything.
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Speaking of jokes that no one has heard before, I’ve got a short one for you:
Why did the chicken cross the road?
I don’t know, why?
Actually, it was somewhat amiss, in that the first sentence was indeed there in SOLEMNI HAC LITURGIA, but the second sentence not, nor was it word for word found where the notes lead which was LUMEN GENTIUM at .14 or .16, although the idea expressed in the second sentence which is being called "fake" --- "WE MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER THE UNITY OF THE MYSTICAL BODY, WITHOUT WHICH THERE CAN BE NO SALVATION, IS OPEN TO NO ONE OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH" can easily enough be found elsewhere...and I have been encountering it word-for-word attributed to to Paul VI, also. Just not the two in the OP's article precisely together.
More to follow....
"PREACH THE WORD; be instant in season, out of season; REPROVE, REBUKE, EXHORT with ALL longsuffering and DOCTRINE."(2 TIm.4:2).
Does that sound like high tea with scones and crumpets and white gloves to you? If it does, you either don't want to get into the truth, or you think the truth is always lovey-dovey and bunny burps. Grow up into the Lord. We're in a spiritual battle for men's souls here.
Hey Arthur, see that first paragraph?
…that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” Pope Eugene IV, Cantate Domino, Bull promulgated on February 4, 1441 (Florentine style), proclaimed “ex cathedra” (infallible).
Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam: “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” — Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Promulgated November 18, 1302) http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/b8-unam.html
Then there is.
The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church. Source: Papal Bull Cantate Domino, by Pope Eugene IV, 1441.
Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam: “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” — Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Promulgated November 18, 1302) http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/b8-unam.html
The Holy Catholic Church teaches that God cannot be adored except within her fold; she affirms that all those who are separated from her will not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great, “Moralia,” XIV:5)
Neither the true Faith nor eternal salvation is to be found outside the Holy Catholic Church. It is a SIN to believe that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church. (Ven. Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quidem, March 17, 1856; cf. also OUR GLORIOUS POPES, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Cambridge, MA: 1955, p.168)
But that first one must not have been so infallible after all because now….
RCC: 847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation.
Then you have those Catholics who think that you don’t even need to trust in Jesus alone let alone know of Him to obtain salvation. How anyone can follow that duplicitous organization is beyond me.
For comparison & convenience sake, here's the first sentence again; We believe that the Church is necessary for salvation, because Christ, who is the sole mediator and way of salvation, renders Himself present for us in His body which is the Church which we do find in SOLEMNI HAC LITURGIA.
After some further searching, it becomes plain that the second part, which you are calling "fake" is found on other pages, with attributions going to journals.
On a strongly pro-"Catholic" page Angelqueen a guy calling himself "Tim" uses the second of the two sentences, [see below] attributing it to Paul VI.
If wishing to view it online, scroll down to #5 of what the writer 'Tim' (obviously quite the RadTrad, our boy Tim) terms;
(and the corrections immediately following)
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5. “These Christians are indeed in some real way joined to us in the Holy Spirit for, by His gifts and graces, His sanctifying power is also active in them, and He has strengthened some of them even to the shedding of their blood.” Lumen GentiusmA) “The Catholic Church alone is the Body of Christ, of which He is Head and Savior. We must always remember the unity of the Mystical Body outside which there is no salvation; for their is no entering into salvation outside the Church. Truth, grace, the Sacraments: all the certain norms for our journey to God come from the Church. The Catholic Church is the extension of Jesus Christ in time and space. Outside this Body the Holy Spirit does not give life to anyone. Those who are enemies of unity do not participate in the charity of divine life; those outside the Church do not possess the Holy Spirit. A Christian must fear nothing so much as to be separated from the Body of Christ. If he is separated from Christ’s Body, he is not one of His members; he is not fed by His Spirit.” Pope Paul VI [emphasis added]
The quote in question, from the OP's article is itself discussed here http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=3447924.0;wap2 with the precise copy/paste noted to be used a lot, attributed to Paul VI, but with nothing further as to where exactly.
Noodling around a bit further, I've come across the same (or nearly identical) wording in few other places too, both pro "Romanist" and some decidedly "Anti" with a capital "A", where citation for usages read;
Indeed, the Church is both a sure and an exclusive means of attaining salvation. We must always remember the unity of the Mystical Body outside which there is no salvation, for there is no entering into salvation outside the Church. Outside this Body, the Holy Spirit gives life to no one: those who are enemies to unity do not participate in the charity of Divine Life; those outside the Church do not possess the Holy Spirit. The entrance to salvation is open to no one outside the Church!"[emphasis added]
Which leaves the attributed to Paul VI quotes, quite possibly not really "fake" at all. Or if so...then possibly(?) not created by the writer of the article, being as it is not that far out of "Catholic" thinking and writings. There was, beginning in Vatican II era (and still is) a blend of somewhat scattered theology which fully embraces and strenuously emphasizes; "no salvation outside the Catholic church" but extends that church beyond it's own walls and sacraments, at the same time...
On Yahoo, allegedly 2 years ago Is this Papal pronouncement still in effect? the two sentences appeared in tandem/consecutively. Whether it came from Durel originally? That could be possible, for right-clicking, checking page info I found "Page last modified: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:32:59 AM".
What part of “love your neighbor” says that you should allow them to stay in their error and go to hell?
Was that your idea of a love-filled, spirit following, “Christian” post? Irony, thy name is Chainmail. For sure.
1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever--the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you know Him, for He lives with you and will be in you. John 14:16,17
Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.
Their souls are alive, get it?
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