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What Does "Born Again" Mean?
The Christian Post ^ | September 19, 2013 | James R. Aist

Posted on 09/19/2013 5:41:50 PM PDT by James R. Aist

Many in the Christian church today have, at best, a rudimentary understanding of what Jesus was talking about when he said "You must be born again." False teachers are often quick to invent their own concept of "born again" apart from sound biblical information, so be careful to compare what they teach to the Word of God. A good grasp of the biblical teaching on this subject is important to the understanding of how God saves people and transforms their lives – the very essence of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: bornagain; heartofflesh; humanspirit; pimpmyblog; salvation
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To: CynicalBear

161 posted on 09/21/2013 6:14:42 PM PDT by narses
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To: CynicalBear

Well, I did run out on Him after that spiritual victory He gave me and collapsed at home.

But He is very merciful and has given me plenty of time to rest and heal. The Great Healer is a wonderful name for Him!

And, sometimes, if one is not running around going busy work one feels as if they are not doing anything. Fortunately, I never feel that way. :)


163 posted on 09/21/2013 6:24:07 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: verga
"From above" is sound, though being born from above is a second birth, albeit of a different type. And yet Gal. 4:9 asks, "how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again [anōthen] to be in bondage?" Taking it from the top again. But that one is born again, thru personal repentant faith, such as is shown in baptism, is the real issue.
164 posted on 09/21/2013 6:24:33 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: MHGinTN

So an unbeliever does have the faculties to discern spiritual things, as opposed to soulish and physical things?

1Cor2 seems to indicate otherwise as does my experience with believers and unbelievers.


165 posted on 09/21/2013 6:37:27 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

The concept of a man having a dead soul (no Life in the spirit within his soul) yet still walking around was hard for the disciples to grasp also, so you’re in good company, FRiend/brother in Christ.


166 posted on 09/21/2013 7:20:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: daniel1212; metmom
And yet Gal. 4:9 asks, "how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again [anōthen] to be in bondage?"

Slow down a bit if we use the wonderful resource that metmom showed me/us when we look at that verse we see is as "...and beggardly principles? To which again (palin) anew (anothen) to be in bondage you desire.

I have no problem with "anew" as a definition of "anothen." I have a huge problem with those people that keep insisting that "again" is not just the primary definition, it is the only definition.

As I have insisted right along; there is perfectly good word for "again" and that is Palin/Palon.

167 posted on 09/21/2013 8:05:12 PM PDT by verga (Lasciante ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate.)
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To: MHGinTN

Your definitions keep changing.

I understand the death to be a state of existence involving separation, not nonexistence.

The soulish existence, being separate from the human spirit, is still able to reason, perceive rationally, but lacks the ability to perceive spiritual phenomena other than how it might effect the soul or physical domain.

The soul in a state of unrighteousness, not being in the right state with God’s Plan, has a strong desire to return to righteousness, but lacks the ability because it lacks the human spirit.

The soul since the Fall in the Garden, now in possession of knowledge from the tree of good and evil. The soul will easily seek good and evil as counterfeit substitutes for His Holiness, which is comprised of His Righteousness and Justice.

Academically, the soul will even study Scripture attempting to become righteous by being legalistic, but still without faith alone in Christ alone, is simply exercising academic rationalism instead of faith through Christ.


168 posted on 09/21/2013 8:30:34 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: verga

Amplified Bible:

3 Jesus answered him, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, that unless a person is born again (anew, from above), he cannot ever see (know, be acquainted with, and experience) the kingdom of God.

7 Marvel not [do not be surprised, astonished] at My telling you, You must all be born anew (from above).

Sometimes The Amplified Bible can be very helpful. I believe that when one reads the entire passage as a whole, it is apparent that “born again” implies “born from above.” Moreover, if one is “born from above”, then they would be born again (i.e., a second time). I think it is important to retain the idea of “from above” in any case.


169 posted on 09/21/2013 8:44:06 PM PDT by James R. Aist
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To: verga

Thanks for taking the time to post the ‘definition’ and places wherein the word in question was used. John 3:13 sums up the totality of the instruction.

I have not had computer time today.


170 posted on 09/21/2013 10:09:42 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: verga

I concur, but the main thing is that one is.


171 posted on 09/22/2013 3:12:19 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: verga

mark


172 posted on 09/22/2013 3:20:33 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: verga

Excellent analysis. Why was the temple veil torn from top to bottom?


173 posted on 09/22/2013 6:20:24 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Why was the temple veil torn from top to bottom?

There are two ways of answering this so I will do my best to answer both.

1) It is a traditional Jewish sign of grief or mourning. It is called the Kriah (Kree-AH).

Genesis 37:34 34 Then Jacob tore his garments, put sackcloth on his loins, and mourned his son many days.

2 Samuel 1:11 David seized his garments and tore them, and so did all the men who were with him.

The second was so that no one could say that man/men had done it. It could have been done by several men, making a cut in the middle of the bottom and then pulling on the lower corners. Being done fro9m the top to the bottom, it had to be done by God.

174 posted on 09/22/2013 7:42:34 AM PDT by verga (Lasciante ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate.)
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To: verga

Take a look here for greater insight:

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7689-high-priest

The High Priest is critical to Israel, but Jesus arrived in apostate Israel. Prior to Jesus with who did the Jews work out their salvation? Who is John the Baptist?


175 posted on 09/22/2013 3:02:53 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: metmom

So John is fulfilling prophecy and doesn’t know his cousin, then why does the Bible mention that they are cousins?

Also, by what right did John call people to repentance and how could they repent prior to Christ’s death and resurrection?


176 posted on 09/22/2013 3:06:58 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Excellent article. Thank you.


177 posted on 09/22/2013 4:45:49 PM PDT by verga (Lasciante ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate.)
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To: smvoice
"I thank God that I baptized none of you...

This is a mighty strange statement, if baptism is REQUIRED for Salvation...

178 posted on 09/22/2013 5:05:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Responsibility2nd
...a baptism for the forgiveness of sins which is necessary unto salvation.

Sigh...

179 posted on 09/22/2013 5:06:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

That’s what I’m talking about, Elsie. Don’t you find that strange, IF Paul INDEED was preaching the same gospel as the 12?


180 posted on 09/22/2013 5:07:32 PM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you're born. And the day you discover why.)
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