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To: CynicalBear

“And I suppose you believe that Israel was replaced by the church as well correct?”

Well, that’s what happens when you divorce one woman and marry another. The harlot is replaced by the bride. The bride is Christ’s church. Read Revelation 21 again. The “new heaven and earth” (spiritual Israel; the church) replaces the “old heaven and earth” (physical Israel; the Law) because the old heaven and earth is a metaphor for the land of Israel and it’s Temple. Again, these references can be understood by cracking open the Old Testament.

New covenant replaced the Old.

“Revelation was written around 96AD and in the first verse of the first chapter we read this.”

Revelation was written no later than 68 AD. Period.

“So it’s your contention that John was given a vision of things that must yet “come to pass” and that what he was shown was a “prophecy” were things that had already happened? Seriously?”

He was told to write of things that were, things that are, and things that will be. The things that “will be” were imminent to the people to whom and for whom he was writing these letters, as expressed repeatedly in the book with words like “soon” and “near.”

Try reading something other than Hal Lindsey.

“Both internal and external evidence show Revelation to have been written near the end of the first century around 96AD.”

Absolutely untrue, as some of the directives in the book would make no sense after the destruction of Jerusalem (”go measure the Temple.”)

“Preterists have been proven wrong over and over again.”

Keep telling yourself that.


562 posted on 09/22/2013 11:28:25 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray
Absolutely untrue, as some of the directives in the book would make no sense after the destruction of Jerusalem (”go measure the Temple.”)

Oh?


The “new heaven and earth” (spiritual Israel; the church) replaces the “old heaven and earth” (physical Israel; the Law) because the old heaven and earth is a metaphor for the land of Israel and it’s Temple.

THIS claim is senseless!


Chapter 21

21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”


Last time I looked...

We STILL have seas.

We STILL have the OLD Jerusalem, complete with fighting over the Temple Mount.

We STILL have tears and death and mourning and crying and pain...

575 posted on 09/23/2013 2:28:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stingray
>>Well, that’s what happens when you divorce one woman and marry another.<<

So you believe that when God says forever it doesn’t really mean forever?

>> Again, these references can be understood by cracking open the Old Testament.<<

We will get to that later I’m sure.

>> some of the directives in the book would make no sense after the destruction of Jerusalem (”go measure the Temple.”)

So the Jews are not now ready to rebuild the temple?

So I suppose you also believe that Nero was the anti-Christ correct? And he made the seven year covenant with Israel? BTW are you full Preterist of partial?

599 posted on 09/23/2013 12:14:02 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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