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To: Stingray
Absolutely untrue, as some of the directives in the book would make no sense after the destruction of Jerusalem (”go measure the Temple.”)

Oh?


The “new heaven and earth” (spiritual Israel; the church) replaces the “old heaven and earth” (physical Israel; the Law) because the old heaven and earth is a metaphor for the land of Israel and it’s Temple.

THIS claim is senseless!


Chapter 21

21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”


Last time I looked...

We STILL have seas.

We STILL have the OLD Jerusalem, complete with fighting over the Temple Mount.

We STILL have tears and death and mourning and crying and pain...

575 posted on 09/23/2013 2:28:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

“Last time I looked...

We STILL have seas.

We STILL have the OLD Jerusalem, complete with fighting over the Temple Mount.”

A convincing record of the passing away of heaven and earth is found in the writings of Josephus, a Jewish historian who was actually present during the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, and afterward wrote of what had happened. His writing is quite an eye opener on the subject of heaven and earth as viewed by the Jews.

“However, this proportion of the measures of the tabernacle proved to be an imitation of the system of the world: for that third part thereof which was within the four pillars, to which the priests were not admitted, is, as it were, a Heaven peculiar to God...” Josephus, Antiquities, Book 3, Chapter 6, Paragraph 4, Section 123).

“When Moses distinguished the tabernacle into three parts, and allowed two of them to the priests as a place accessible to the common, he denoted the land and the sea, these being of general access to all; but he set apart the third division for God, because heaven is inaccessible to men” Josephus, Antiquities, Book 3, Chapter 7, Paragraph 7, Section 181).

Josephus is portraying the first century Jewish understanding of “heaven and earth” in these writings. He is describing how the Jews looked upon their place of worship in the Mosaic Tabernacle and later in the Temple as “a heaven and earth.” They believed that their Temple was at the very center of the earth, and saw it as the place where heaven and earth came together, and where God met man. In the quotes just made from Josephus, he calls the outer part of the tabernacle “an imitation of the system of the world” and the “sea and land, on which men live.” By contrast, the inner Holy of Holies he terms “heaven peculiar to God.” There was a fabric veil that separated these two compartments in the Tabernacle and the Temple, which he describes as being “very ornamental, and embroidered with all sorts of flowers which the earth produces.” This last quote is found in Antiquities, Book 3, Chapter 6, Paragraph 4, Section 126.

C.H. Spurgeon (1834–1892) in a message he once delivered (Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit, Volume 37, Page 354), made the following statement about “heaven and earth” as used in the Scriptures: “Did you ever regret the absence of the burnt-offering, or the red heifer, of any one of the sacrifices and rites of the Jews? Did you ever pine for the feast of tabernacle, or the dedication? No, because, though these were like the old heavens and earth to the Jewish believers, they have passed away, and now we live under the new heavens and a new earth, so far as the dispensation of divine teaching is concerned. The substance is come, and the shadow has gone: and we do not remember it.”

Jessie E. Mills, Jr., Ph.D., writes in his work entitled, Revelation Survey and Research, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words shall not pass away,” Matt. 24:35. Thus the heaven and earth here represented the fall of Jewish power, so also in Matt. 24:29, where the symbols of the sun, moon, and stars is used to denote the rulers of Israel. Note this fall would occur at the advent of Christ.”

http://www.christeternalchristianchurch.com/learningactivity36.htm

21st century American literalism neither understands nor explains 1st century Jewish symbolism.


594 posted on 09/23/2013 9:31:54 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Elsie

And preterists believe that Satan is now bound also. Oh, and Nero was the anti-Christ even though he died two years before the destruction of Jerusalem. The Preterists are so off base with scripture and history it’s dificult to believe anyone with any sense at all would believe what they teach. We used to have a bunch of them here but don’t see many of them any more. I suppose scripture started to embaress them to much.


601 posted on 09/23/2013 12:21:35 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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