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To: mlizzy

Typical Catholic talking point, mlizzy, that one must suffer terribly to become more godly.

Did I say “allow”? No, I did not. I said He will not “cause” your pain and He will not “leave” you in it.

Let me clarify.....He will not leave you “alone” in it.

I thought about adding the “alone” right before I hit post but did not. I assumed you would know exactly what I meant, but I forget that the mindset is completely different in Catholicism and I should never assume you will know my meaning unless I clearly spell it out.

Isaiah 43:2 ESV

When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you.

As for allow, we agree He does allow pain but when He does it always has a purpose. We know Him by name the moment we are born again and filled with the Spirit. He does not allow one to suffer just for the sake of suffering. His purpose is to teach us thru the suffering and He promises that it will not last forever.

1 Peter 5:10 ESV

And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.

Psalm 34:19 ESV

Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the Lord delivers him out of them all.

Jeremiah 29:11 ESV

For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.

2 Corinthians 4:17 ESV

For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison.

Romans 8:28 ESV

And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

You mentioned Catholicism was very difficult to learn, or words to that effect. You don’t learn a relationship with Jesus...you learn a religion. I believe you believe you do have this relationship with Jesus, but all I have heard you talk about is Catholic tradition and dogma. What happened before you became Catholic? I would like to know about the experience you had prior if you will share it.

Best,
jodyel


307 posted on 09/16/2013 5:56:44 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: jodyel
What happened before you became Catholic? I would like to know about the experience you had prior if you will share it.
Same ol', same ol'; an empty existence filled with sin.
311 posted on 09/16/2013 6:03:57 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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