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1 posted on 09/04/2013 8:05:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

God requires faith. Demanding proof pretty much precludes any possibility of faith.


2 posted on 09/04/2013 8:07:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The whole idea of “should God” is offensive to me. Who are we to tell God what he should or should not do?


3 posted on 09/04/2013 8:08:14 AM PDT by Veto!
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Even after Jesus comes back, there will still be plenty of unbelievers. Right at the Second Coming, the armies of the Beast are going to try and attack Jesus, remember.
4 posted on 09/04/2013 8:09:25 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: SeekAndFind

God reveals Himself daily, it you can’t see Him that is your issue not His.


6 posted on 09/04/2013 8:15:36 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: SeekAndFind

God did appear. They crucified him.


8 posted on 09/04/2013 8:16:01 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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Even when the Israelites had God in their presence, they still grumbled and complained and their faith was waning. I don’t think it would do much good.

God went through this already and knows the outcome.

But good article, nonetheless.


9 posted on 09/04/2013 8:17:06 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (I wish I lived in Texas.)
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An open display of powerful glory by the God of the universe would likely drive former atheists to serve Him out of fear,

eeerrrr no

I currently don't believe in Dark Matter, Dark Energy, Bigfoot, The Loch Ness Monster, Unicorns, etc.

If they revealed themselves, I would then believe them, not out of fear but because they would then be true.

God doesn't desire eternal slaves—i.e., those who work to fulfill His requirements out of a desire to escape punishment or to gain something they want.

Then what's with the Heaven & Hell thingy?

As God reminds the Israelites throughout the Old Testament, it's not the acts of worship He's after, but the hearts of children who adore their Father and want to be with Him.

What Bible is this author reading? Throughout the New Testament God is slaughtering and Smoteing non-believers.

10 posted on 09/04/2013 8:19:11 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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He does every day. There are none so blind as those who will not see.


11 posted on 09/04/2013 8:21:56 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: SeekAndFind

God is revealed in creation through His word. Just read Ezekiel 38-39 and compare it to the headlines. It is supernatural.


12 posted on 09/04/2013 8:22:12 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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“When this comes up with your atheist friends”...

I don’t have any of those. Atheism precludes friendship.


14 posted on 09/04/2013 8:22:32 AM PDT by Anton.Rutter
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If God did appear, the History channel would have a field day.

"Do I really need to say it?"

15 posted on 09/04/2013 8:22:32 AM PDT by Dick Cinnamon
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It is not a “should God,” but will He? Yes.

I know of at least three stories in which the person was either a non-believer or of a different religion and Jesus Himself appeared to all in visions/dreams and they converted. One was Hindu, one was Jewish and one was Muslim. Atheists? Not exactly, but it could happen to anyone.


17 posted on 09/04/2013 8:25:08 AM PDT by madison10
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Assuming God wanted to “reveal Himself” to atheists, I wonder what method of “revelation” would be sufficient to eliminate their doubts? And how often?

I’d think that sending a son down to earth who who taught, performed miracles, was killed and was raised from the dead, appearing in person to many, would be enough. How often should God do this, according to persons who don’t believe in Him?


18 posted on 09/04/2013 8:25:32 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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So now we're making God's decisions for Him? He should respect our polls?

What kind of stupid question is this?

19 posted on 09/04/2013 8:26:00 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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The older I get the more I understand why old people don’t say much. I can only guess what the Creator who is possibly several billion years would even want to say to us other than, “behave yourselves!”


20 posted on 09/04/2013 8:27:51 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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He will. We all face Him sooner or later, believe that or not...


22 posted on 09/04/2013 8:32:36 AM PDT by joethedrummer
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I've heard atheists say that the best thing God could do would be to reveal Himself openly so that everyone could believe in Him, do what He wants, and not go to Hell. Since God does not do this, we know that either He does not exist or He is not good.

God can do whatever He pleases. We do not dictate to Him, He dictates to us (He has even given us His written Word). As Paul wrote:

Romans 9:20-21 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

And as Isaiah said:

Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? ...

The evidence of God, the Creator, is plain to everyone. There are people that will the deny the evidence until it is too late (i.e., at the Judgement).

Romans 1:20-22 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,...

The God deniers aren't looking for evidence, they are justifying their denials.

23 posted on 09/04/2013 8:39:46 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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God is the Supreme Being, the Perfect Being. As a former religious person, agnostic these days, I've always thought God's desire, actually more of a "Need", to have you have faith in Him, the demands of God wanting you to heed Him, believe in His existence, was always proof to me that He didn't exist.

The basis for God's existence is as the Perfect Being, meaning, he has no needs, as opposed to Man where his needs require fulfillment albeit, different sorts of needs, physical as opposed to spiritual, hunger, thirst, etc in order to survive.

So,the premise regarding this thread is that having needs that require fulfillment renders you a mere mortal, where as not having any needs, whether it is food, air, other requirements of sustenance in order to exist, would make you immortal.

God's "Needs" are not physical but it is obvious from everything known about God, His "Needs" to have you have faith in Him, His needs to pray to Him, praise Him ,love Him, worship Him, are needs in which Man must fulfill in order to achieve approval in God's eyes.

Now, in the event Man as individual fails to fulfill that which God has commanded, demanded in response as declared to be God's "Needs", God's response is one of anger, of revenge as stated throughout the Bible. This phenomena of God getting angry, seeking revenge, has giving rise to the concept of Anthropomorphism.

Anthropomorphism, or personification, is attribution of human form or other characteristics to anything other than a human being. Examples include depicting deities with human form and ascribing human emotions or motives to forces of nature, such as hurricanes or earthquakes.

Wikipedia:Anthropomorphism has ancient roots as a literary device in storytelling, and also in art. Most cultures have traditional fables with anthropomorphised animals, which can stand or talk like humans, as characters.

One of the definitions for 'anger' is one defined as having lost control of your emotions, common sense.Exacting revenge is one result of becoming angry, losing control. Anger, Revenge is a decidedly human weakness.

To describe God's ' anger' in anthropomorphic terms is an oxymoron of the highest order. God being the Perfect Being can not conceivably lose control of his thoughts, his Very Being and to have any just such circumstance belies the existence of God as being the Perfect Being and such would deny the very rationale that is the basis for God.

There are very many examples of just such contradictions in the way God is defined, the way God is known to exist through the mind of Man.

God's apparent lack of appearance or any modicum of proof that He exists explained as His need to test your faith in Him, his requirement as ultimate proof of your belief in Him, is God's ultimate need that which Man can fulfill only by the affirmation of faith in Him. But to deny that what He seeks in Man would render him as an imperfect being, as such would render any belief in God as a non-entity.

24 posted on 09/04/2013 8:40:03 AM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1142 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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Would it not have been an eye opener to Pontius Pilate had Jesus appeared to him after His Resurrection?


26 posted on 09/04/2013 8:59:17 AM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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Billions of Hindus have lived and died without recognizing the one true God.

What's wrong with them that they chose to burn forever?

35 posted on 09/04/2013 9:32:49 AM PDT by Ken H (First rule of gun safety - have a gun)
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