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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

The dishonesty of anti-Catholics seems to know no bounds:

You wrote:

“This concession of yours is at the core of the whole monstrous error to begin with, as to even claim that there are scales is to say that salvation is not by grace, but by a measurement of your good vs evil works.”

No. The prayers of others can only be about grace. The intercession of Mary can only be about grace. And, as I already noted, and which you completely ignored, the text clearly says the following:

“all the blessed in heaven rejoice in the communion of the faithful because the Blessed Sacrament is a memorial of the passion and death of Jesus Christ, AND THAT BY MEANS OF IT MEN SHARE IN ITS FRUITS AND WORK OUT THEIR SALVATION.”

Thus, Christ’s death on the cross saves. That means grace. Your whole line of deception has been shown to be a lie yet again.

“Most ordinary people, I’m afraid, can recognize silly superstition when they see it.”

And the Jews and Gentiles mocked Christians for believing in things such as the Incarnation, Resurrection, Jesus’ miracles, etc.

“Notice how you’re incapable of making a single coherent argument from the Bible.”

No, because you avoided the verses I posted in post 21 for instance. Typical.

“Your barking cannot fool me into believing that you know what you’re talking about.”

Apparently you can’t deal with the verses posted to you. You will continue to fail.


81 posted on 07/26/2013 11:45:46 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“No. The prayers of others can only be about grace.”


What does this have to do with a scale up in heaven weighing your bad and good works against each other? As to the Rosary, if one must receives “grace” as a “reward” for wearing or repeating a rosary, it certainly is not grace, because grace, by definition, is the free gift of God on an undeserving sinner. It cannot be earned. It is simply mercy, given by the sovereign King. Nor can there be any grace at all without the blood of Jesus, by which case all our bad works are cleansed immediately simply through faith, which itself is the gift of God. To say that there is a “scale” up in heaven at all, weighing your bad works with your good works to begin with, is a denial of the finished work of Christ on the cross.

“Thus, Christ’s death on the cross saves.”


But yet, it did not save, according to your Saint. It was the intercession of Mary that saved because of the Rosary. If it was Christ that saved, then it would conclude with Christ simply saying “thy sins are forgiven thee,” in response to his faith, as we see so often in the Gospels. A rosary, as you admitted before, is a “merit” that one receives which earns some sort of grace in return.

“And the Jews and Gentiles mocked Christians for believing in things such as the Incarnation, Resurrection, Jesus’ miracles, etc.”


It’s sad to see you compare such things with the scripture. I’d say it’s close to the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, comparing the true miracles of God with people vomiting up flowers and getting to heaven on the basis of how many rosaries they say in a day.

“No, because you avoided the verses I posted in post 21 for instance. Typical.”


What’s typical is that you seem to be making some kind of an argument, but you won’t tell me what your point is, or what you are hoping to prove, or how you hope to prove it.

I suspect that you can’t.


89 posted on 07/27/2013 12:50:34 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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