Posted on 07/01/2013 6:15:23 PM PDT by bad company
Moscow, July 1, Interfax – Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplain, chairman of the Synodal Department for Church and Society Relations, said Russia is moving towards maximum self-reliance and must become the center of global Christianity.
“It is not accidental that many see Russia as a defender of Christian ideals and traditional moral values, as a country that provides a real alternative to the cult of the golden calf and to a suicidal understanding of what freedom is,” Father Vsevolod writes in an article, published in the Rus Derzhavnaya newspaper on Monday.
Russia must start feeling it is the center of the Christian world, he writes. Only if it does will it become an accomplished nation. The rest is “first, petty and, second, self-destructive for it,” the priest said.
“Russia has told the world in clipped terms that it can definitely speak its own language, the language of a self-sufficient and strong nation, whose traditions and experience give it the right to walk its own way, to defend its own ideas of how society should be set up, and also to offer it to the world,” Fr. Vsevolod said.
However hard one tried to influence the state into following the opinions of narrow groups that link themselves to foreign trends and position themselves as the mouthpiece of “would-be Russia”, or “other Russia,” or “real Russia, nothing worked, he said.
“It is not accidental that we said in clear terms despite pressure coming from the West that we do want to protect children from early sexualization and from the propaganda of homosexuality. And we also said that support for foreign adoptions of Russian children is an extremely irrational step. We do not want these children, adopted by perverts, to lose the hope in which many of them were baptised, and to lose a normal life,” Fr. Vsevolod said.
Correction
Salvation fOR should say Salvation of
Mostly Serbs, but you’ll all get the point. I understand we now have gay”marriages” and bring your own snake preachers among our troops. Lucky us!
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=MvLzNX8MuCY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMvLzNX8MuCY
For example, from your post 58, "You can keep your filthy state sponsored religion, and I’ll stick with the Gospel."
Really? According to the Gospel, God wants no one to perish and all to repent, and the Church of that Gospel was able to grow even under Nero's persecution.
But the god you worship is unable to overcome Putin and build a church in Russia, and needs you to tell him/her who he/she's capable of saving. And you're still doing it. "But until someone is there preaching Christ and Him crucified, as opposed to purely cultural and nationalistic messages, I cannot call it Christian." No thank you. I'll stay with the true God who can build a Church in the Roman Empire, Russia, China, or anywhere else where people gather and call His name.
Care to put a time line of events on that?
“Really? According to the Gospel, God wants no one to perish and all to repent, and the Church of that Gospel was able to grow even under Nero’s persecution.”
You aren’t even debating with me. You’re debating someone else and are just quoting me, as if I said something about repentance or whatnot. I never denied any of these things, you just keep asserting them for who knows what reason.
“But the god you worship is unable to overcome Putin and build a church in Russia, and needs you to tell him/her who he/she’s capable of saving.”
Keep in mind you are agreeing with Kremlin Propagandists that Russia will be the center of world Christianity, even though, as the other poster pointed out, Orthodoxy in Russia is more of an attribute (as I have also noticed) than it is an actual faith, with many of the “faithful” unlikely to even believe that there is a God to begin with.
This has nothing to do with God not having power to save His own in Russia. We can say this of any country that doesn’t have some government sponsored religion making the claim. It just has everything to do with a false Nationalistic Gospel being promoted by Putin and the ROC.
So you can keep bothering me about how I’m against the working of God, or repentence, or whatnot, but it has nothing whatever to do with anything I have said. You’re just ranting with self-righteous fury over something I have never disputed.
Nice try. I have answered your points directly, as anyone who still cares to review this thread will see.
Keep in mind you are agreeing with Kremlin Propagandists that Russia will be the center of world Christianity
My original comment on this thread was in response to the Russians protecting their children from the homosexual agenda while the leader of the free world is forcing it on our children.
As for whether I'm agreeing with them about Russia becoming the center of Christianity, I never commented on that, and I won't say it can't happen.
even though, as the other poster pointed out, Orthodoxy in Russia is more of an attribute (as I have also noticed) than it is an actual faith, with many of the “faithful” unlikely to even believe that there is a God to begin with.
OK, let's go with your premise that many Russian Christians are acting out of tradition rather than faith. What about those who remained faithful even in the Soviet Union when it was illegal. Did they risk prison just over a tradition they didn't really believe in?
Again, the Church grew under the persecution of the Roman Empire. Why not Russia, China, or (hopefully) even a revival here?
“My original comment”
And I wasn’t responding to you. I was responding to the thread and the propaganda of Russia becoming the “center of the Christian world.”
“As for whether I’m agreeing with them about Russia becoming the center of Christianity, I never commented on that, and I won’t say it can’t happen.”
Then we disagree on nothing, since we aren’t even talking about the same thing.
“Again, the Church grew under the persecution of the Roman Empire. Why not Russia, China, or (hopefully) even a revival here?”
Certainly that’s possible in any country, not just Russia, or as is currently happening in China. It’s just that the Kremlin propaganda is not a manifestation of any actual revival, but rather of a policy position by the Kremlin.
Sounds good to me.
I would say the inexact opposite: nationalism is good when Christian, bad otherwise. Indeed, peoples who are not Christian are not really a people: "[you] in time past were not a people: but are now the people of God." (1 Peter 2:10).
Mass replacements of one people with another has nothing to do with Christianity.
You mean, the liberal project in the United States should fall. It must and it will. I speak of American nation; you speak of American government.
No: the movement is in the opposite direction, unfortunately. So long as the price of oil remains high, it may be a long while.
Now more than ever we need Russia. A faith promoting country on the move with a flat tax, and a strong sensible leader.
Yes
"What about those (Russian Christians) who remained faithful even in the Soviet Union when it was illegal. Did they risk prison just over a tradition they didn't really believe in?"
Groups like this needs to fall for the US to change
No one is saying that we want to start another Cold War, just that the pretense of the Third Rome was always a stretch, and is ridiculous today.
Yes. The views on abortion are indeed what divides our nation most starkly, and America cannot be renewed unless abortion becomes what it is, an unspeakable horror and a national shame.
Russia under Putin is the most Christian land in the world. May the Lord Jesus protect him and the Russian Orthodox people.
Speak of the devil.
I know better.
Being as a Christian should look to only one place for hope, instead was the revised and extended [below] added;
The "hope" of Christians? Many of those Christians are looking to the U.S. for some hope, despite many of our own present cultural exports contain ungodliness in the mix.
The poor and the persecuted cannot "save" us. Helping them, of course, just puts those who will do so in the gun sights, both figurative and very real, of those doing the persecuting. Sort-of like it can here...but we face figurative gun sights from those who would persecute Christians, more then we do actual gun barrels.
For reason of increasing percentage of loud, noisy, obnoxious sinners, it does seem to me you may be overlooking those set-upon and continually opposed Christians right here in the U.S.
Are those Christians not yet enough persecuted for your liking?
Now for the real question;
Tell me true...just where today, right now do you stand?
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