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What Events Will Lead Up To The Anti-Christ's 666 Global State
The Ignorant Fishermen.com ^ | 6/20/13 | DJP I.F.

Posted on 06/22/2013 7:04:38 AM PDT by kindred

When the Rapture of the Church finally takes place - in which Almighty God the Son calls out His body (saints and ambassadors) - it (The Rapture) will be a wondrous sign unto the apostate western world more so than a sign unto the whole world. For all had better be prepared, for Almighty God's "Day of Wrath" is now at hand (2 Thess. 2:3-12)!

All these are the beginning of sorrows (birth pangs) Matt. 24:8. The official commencement of this horrific seven year period will be the breaking of the 1st seal (i.e., the "Confirming of the Covenant" - Dan. 9:27) by Almighty God’s Lamb (i.e., The Lord Jesus Christ) in Heaven (Rev. 6:1). It is at this precise moment that the man of lawlessness (i.e., the anti-Christ) will be revealed unto the entire world (2 Thess. 2: 3-12; Rev. 6:2). This revealing of the Anti-Christ and the commencement of this seven year tribulation period will begin when this man (i.e., the Anti-Christ) adds his position of great power and authority to a covenant with Israel on the behalf of Israel’s defeated enemies (Ezek. 38:8,11-12, Dan. 9: 27). Israel will sign this covenant from a position of strength, not weakness (Ezek 38: 8). Israel will then have rest and dwell in their land in safety because they have eradicated their border enemies (Ezek. 38:8,11-12, Rev. 11:3-7). This position of power does not mean that Israel's heart is right with Almighty God, for it will not be (Ezek, 39:26, Rev. 11:8). Israel at this time will also have the super natural protection of Almighty God’s two witnesses (Moses and Elijah) who possess Almighty God's Divine authority and are extremely more powerful and than the anti - Christ and his global confederacies (Rev. 11:3-6).

This revealing of the Anti-Christ and the commencement of this seven year tribulation period will begin when this man (i.e., the Anti-Christ) adds his position of great power and authority to a covenant with Israel on the behalf of Israel’s defeated enemies.

These two lamp stands of Almighty God (Moses and Elijah) will preach salvation in Jesus Messiah, re- institute the temple, its sacrifices and its priesthood. They will preach repentance and testify to ALL that the establishment of the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. These two will then prepare the remnant of believing Jews and a chosen 144,000 Jewish men - from the 12 tribes of Israel - (Matt. 24:14, Rev. 7:4-8, 11:13) for their global ministry unto ALL of the nations of the earth and their Messiah’s glorious and imminent return and Kingdom. It will be at this time -the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period - that the WORLD will seek every and any opportunity to root out and destroy these two Divinely appointed vessels of Almighty God... all to no avail (Mal. 4:4-6, Rev. 7,14:1-4,11:3-8). While Israel dwells in safety under the Divine ministry of Moses and Elijah, the world will be in a beyond imaginable EXPONENTIAL tail spin (Rev. 6-9).

Israel will sign this covenant from a position of strength not weakness.

It will be also at this time - at the beginning of this seven year period, while Israel dwells in their land in absolute safety (Ezek. 38:8,11,12,14) - that the WHOLE GENTILE WORLD will be trodden down by the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (Rev. 6:1-8). It will be after their catastrophic ride through out the entire world that the world will lose ¼ of its total population (1.75 billion) to war, famine and pestilence and will cause global markets to be wiped out and implode (Rev 6:1-8). Following the Four Horsemen’s ride of doom and the opening of the fifth seal will be the opening of the sixth seal in which a GREAT GLOBAL EARTHQUAKE will gain the world’s full attention. As the heavens depart as a scroll and EVERY mountain and island are moved out of their places it will send absolute terror into the hearts of every human being alive (Jew and Gentile) on planet earth (Rev. 6:12-17).

It will be after their catastrophic ride through out the entire world that the world will lose ¼ of its total population (1.75 billion) to war, famine and pestilence and will cause global markets to be wiped out and implode.

For it is now - at this time - that the inhabitants of the world will FULLY comprehend indeed that they are now in the long predicted “Day of the Lord” and His “Day of Almighty God's Wrath"! (Rev. 6:15-17)

The Trumpet Judgments

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Following the Seal Judgments of the Lamb of God come Almighty God's "Trumpet Judgments" upon the earth’s inhabitants, its vegetation, its water (fresh and salt) and the celestial lights in the first and second heavens (Rev. 8:1-13).

As we shall see, the first four of the seven Trumpet Judgments shall strike the earth and its inhabitants with EXPONENTIAL unparalleled global cataclysmic destruction. Let us take a look!

The First Four Trumpet Judgments

The First Trumpet Judgment destroys 1/3 of all trees and grass upon the face of the earth with fire! (Rev.8:7). That comes to roughly 133 billion trees. 7% of all land mass is covered with grass. This area covers 9.93 million sq/km or 3.8 million sq/miles. This total area - which is given over to fire - is roughly a little bit bigger then the total land mass of the United States which would include Alaska. Can you even imagine the smoke which is generated from this global inferno?

The Second Trumpet Judgment will cause 1/3rd of all the seas of planet earth to turn to blood (Rev. 8:8-9). The fall out of this catastrophic global devastation will also cause 1/3 of all the sea creatures to perish and 1/3 of all the world's ships and their crews to perish also! Some facts:

1. 70.8 % of the earth’s surface is covered by water. 68% of that 70.8% is salt water. 1/3 of the seas or 22.6% of the world’s surface area or 122 million sq/km or 47.1 sq/miles will be decimated and turned into blood! That is roughly the size of the Pacific Ocean! (How horrific!!) Ocean info link

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2. The number of sea creatures destroyed by this trumpet judgment will be too innumerable to number. From the smallest creatures to the giant whales it must be in the trillions.

3. The total number of merchant ships that populate the world is about 55,000. This figure includes bulk carriers, dry cargo vessels, MPP's, container vessels, tankers, LPG's, LNG's, and most cruise ships; this number however does not include private vessels. The world's total number of ships of war is estimated at 4500. 1/3 of this total number (59,500) comes to roughly 19,833 ships that will be destroyed in this great Second Trumpet judgment not counting countless thousands of sailors lives that will also perish. Can you even envision such wondrous cataclysmic devastation that will ravish a sea mass the almost the size of the Pacific Ocean?

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The Third Trumpet Judgment will cause 1/3rd of all fresh water to be poisoned with wormwood and become bitter. The effects of this judgment will cripple society and multitudes will perish because of their ingestion of these bitter waters (Rev. 8:11). In this period - due to the horrific consequences of the Seal and Trumpet Judgments - drinking water will be very scarce to come by.

3% of the entire world’s water is fresh water. 1/3 of this water supply (33% of the 3%) will be poisoned killing multitudes of the world’s inhabitants during this period.

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The Forth Trumpet Judgment will cause the celestial lights (sun, moon and stars) to dim their light 1/3rd of their normal strength (Rev. 8:12)!

Up to this point, try to comprehend - if at all possible - the unimaginable and exponential ravishing affects upon the face of the earth by these Seven Seal Judgments and the first four Trumpet Judgments. Remember, that these judgments were ordered upon the inhabitants of the earth and their planet because of their exponential godless rebellion and violence against the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God (Gen. 1:31, Isa. 24:5-6, Rom. 1:18-32). These horrific global catastrophes - including the unimaginable devastation incurred by the Four Horsemen and the wrath of man - in which 1/4th of the world’s population was slain - will bring to the fore front the unbridled passions and uncontrollable violence of humanity's godless and evil fallen heart (Ps. 7:9, Jer. 17:9-10, Matt. 15:17-20, Jude 1:10). Nothing manifests the human heart as tribulation does and reveals to all, our utter godless depravity with out the RIGHTEOUSNESS of Almighty God (Jer. 17:10, Matt 15:18-19, Gal. 5:19-21, Rev. 9:20-21).

These cataclysmic events will reveal and bring to the forefront humanities utter hatred and disdain for their Creator and His ETERNAL sovereignty (Rev. 9:20-21). As these events intensify, the world will outwardly manifest their ever hardening position towards Almighty God by their godless deeds and war against His redeemed. These will become absolutely callus, cold, hateful, unfeeling and violent towards one another (Matt. 24:12, 2 Tim. 3:1-7). Self preservation and individual survival during this time will make men violate and transgress Almighty God's absolutes and moral laws o places which they though never imaginable. Instead of repenting and crying out for Almighty God’s mercy and pardon, these will continually harden their hearts as Pharaoh of old and instead of looking into God's perfect mirror of righteousness (Psalm 19:7, Rom. 10:2-4), they will seek a scapegoat and a villain for their entire calamity (Matt. 24:8-13). Since Israel – at this time - is unaffected by these horrific Seal and Trumpet judgments that take place during the first half of this tribulation period, the world’s inhabitants will seek lash out after Almighty God’s people (i.e., Israel). Israel has always been the world's most favorite scapegoat and during this time, this hatred will reach an all new exponential level. The WORLD - at this time - will greatly unite as one man and seek to destroy Almighty God’s two witnesses (Rev. 11: 4-6) and the apple of His eye (i.e., the nation Israel) (Deut. 32:10, Psalm 17:8), but again, all to none avail (Ezek. 38:8, 11-12, Rev. 11:3-7).

As these events intensify, the world will outwardly manifest their ever hardening position towards Almighty God by their godless deeds and war against His redeemed.

Just when the inhabitants of the earth thought that it could never get any more horrifically worse, they are about to be visited by a host of ferocious conquers and tyrannical oppressors that know absolutely no mercy and transcend the limited boundaries of time and space. It will be at this time that Almighty God will not just be passing judgment upon the sons of Adam for their EXPONENTIAL transgressions, but also on the fallen hosts of Heaven’s realm - the demonic legions of fallen angels. These demonic host have greatly feared and dreaded this present hour which is now at hand for in this time they indeed know their time is exceedingly short (Matt. 8:29, Mark 5:7, Rev. 18:2).

The Three Horrific Woes unto the Earth! .

The word “Woe!”, when used by Almighty God in this alarming and dreadful way should send ice cold shivers of fright up the spine of any individual, sane or insane. So dreadful, so unimaginable, so fearfully horrifying are these last series of Trumpet Judgments that an angel is sent by Almighty God to sternly warn the remaining godless and rebellious inhabitants of planet earth of what is yet to be!

Almighty God's Divine angelic air raid siren pierces through the world's darkness warning all of the pending doom which is now at hand.

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“And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhibitors of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!” (Rev 8:13)

The First Woe! .

This First Woe has to do with the demonic legions which are held prisoner in the bottomless pit called “the Abyss”. These demonic hosts were placed there by Almighty God for their gross transgressions and heavenly rebellion against Almighty God and His ETERNAL sovereignty. They were most likely placed there after the Noaic flood for their excessive part in leading men to global rebellion against their Creator and his natural laws (Gen. 6, Isa. 14:12-17, Ezek. 28:12-19, Jude 1:6).

These godless beings in their psychotic rage and violence will seek to – once again - tyrannically dominate and plague man, preparing all of humanity for the Third Woe which is to come.

These insane supernatural beings - which transcend the realms of time and space - are EXPONENTIALLY more powerful and intelligent than man. These godless beings in their psychotic rage and violence will seek to – once again - tyrannically dominate and plague man, preparing all of humanity for the Third Woe which is to come (Rev. 12:12). These demonic legions fully comprehend the hour in which they now occupy and know that their time is dreadfully short. These released demonic hordes from the abyss prison hold – as insane and delusional as they are – know quite well of the impending judgment and doom that awaits them in the Lake of Fire for FOREVER and EVER (Matt.25:41, Rev. 20:10)! It is their sole hateful and vindictive intention to discredit Almighty God's Word and promises to Israel and the world and to torment and take as many humans with them to their ETERNAL abode as possible (Matt. 8:29, 25: 41, Mark 1:24, 5:7, Luke 4:34).

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These demonic legions are described to us as locust. Locusts are a consuming and devouring terror to all plant life that stands before them. So devastating are locust that they can wipe out vast plush green areas of vegetation in a matter of hours. These demonic hordes are told not to devour grass, but to torment men who have NOT the seal of Almighty God (Rev. 9:4). As these demonic hosts are released from their darkened prison in the abyss they will ravish and torment the unsaved defiant inhabitants of the earth for a period of five months (Rev. 9:5). These demonic hordes are lead by a demonic general named Abaddon, whose name means destroyer! What more do you need to know about this army and very hour!

These demonic hordes are lead by a demonic general named Abaddon, whose name means destroyer!

These tortured inhabitants of planet earth - who are also part of Lucifer’s satanic rebellion against Almighty God - are now being violently oppressed by Satan’s legions of fallen angels and are now driven as cattle by Satan to serve his destructive diabolical plan in his final war of this age against Almighty God (Rev. 16:13-16). Since these individuals out right reject the Divine revelation revealed to them by Almighty God (2 Thess. 2:8-12), His two witnesses and His ministering angels, they have now opened themselves to the demonic influences and possession of their minds (2 Cor. 4:3-4, 2 Thess. 2:9-12).

Remember, by this time – the seven Seal Judgments and the first four Trumpet Judgments have passed (Rev. 6-8). Multitudes of millions (i.e.,1.5 billion) of the earth’s inhabitants have been slain by global war, pestilence and famine, not to mention the global environmental devastation that has ravished 1/3rd of the earth's natural resources, elements, sea creatures, shipping commerce, celestial lights etc... It is now - after all of this global devastation - that millions of enraged demonic hordes are released from their prison hold of the abyss and will now commence terrorizing and torturing countless millions of the surviving masses of unsaved mankind for five months.

Could things get any more horrific than this? Oh… Yes! EXPONENTIALLY WORSE!!

At this time, one might ask himself, “Could things get any more horrific than this?” For in this brief time period since the Covenant of Peace was confirmed - which was suppose to usher in world peace and a new global age for all mankind (Dan. 9:27, 1 Thess. 5:3, Rev. 6:2) - the whole world has been ravished beyond imagination and humanity is laid waste on a scale unparalleled. Vexed and tormented beyond belief by man’s transgressions and demonic oppression, could things get any more worse than this? Oh… Yes! EXPONENTIALLY WORSE!!

The Second Woe!

The back ground (Rev. 6, 8; 9:1-12:1) - has now been set for introduction of the sixth Trumpet “the Second Woe!”

As the multitudes of earth’s inhabitants feel the horrific judgments and plagues of Almighty God, the destructive out working of evil men and the oppressive tyrannical torture of the demonic devouring locust of First Woe (Rev. 9:1-12), the remaining world’s inhabitants will have to brace themselves for the Second Woe which is at hand! A demonically induced and preconceived second Global War that will set the stage for Lucifer's (Satan's) Anti Christ and 666 global state (Rev 9:15; 13).

They will be preparing the human soil to make way for Lucifer’s last offensive plan and push, the Abomination of Desolation and 666 global state..

As the completion of the five months of the First Woe comes to a horrific conclusion, the sixth trumpet sounds (Rev. 8:13)! The heavenly command is given from the golden alter which is before Almighty God in Heaven above to release the four angels that are bound in the great Euphrates River after the Genesis flood (2 Peter 2:4, Jude 1:6). God’s Word states that these four immensely powerful angels are “prepared” for this exact hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men! (Rev. 9:15). It would seem that Lucifer at this time – the commander and chief of the hosts of Hell – is seeking to drastically reduce and consolidate the world’s population to be more easily managed and controlled. This "prepared” plan of mass annihilation upon the remaining inhabitants of planet earth, is to allow Lucifer to control the masses and to eliminate any opposition to his up coming lawless one and demonic agenda (Rev. 13). As these four "extremely powerful" fallen angels begin their ministry of woe and destruction upon the remaining inhabitants of planet earth, they will be preparing the human soil to make the way for Lucifer’s last offensive plan and push, the Abomination of Desolation and his 666 global state (Matt. 24:15, Rev. 13).

Dear friends, just look at what it will take to establish and get Lucifer's anti Christ upon the world's throne! How many biblical scholars see this position as we have revealed to you. Not many... if few. Many today hold a very shallow of what is to be and provide little to no biblical depth and substance for God's people. My dear friends may we all be slaves and students to the Word of God in these days!

Now... These four mighty demonic angels of the Euphrates river prison hold are commanded to stir up a stupendous and mighty army of 200 million demonic riders to destroy the remaining world’s population by 1/3. So STUPENDOUS and FRIGHTENING are their description and vision that it takes the breath away from the reader of this text (Rev. 9:16-19).

As we rattle off these horrific statistics of this period one has to shudder and try to grasp the vast carnage and devastation of this first three and a half year period. How do any of the haters of reality even make it to Armageddon at all?

During their monstrous campaign another BILLION plus or 1/3rd of the world’s remaining inhabitants will be destroyed (Rev. 9:15)! As we rattle off these horrific statistics of this first three and a half year period, one has to shudder and try to grasp the vast carnage and devastation of human life of this time period. How do any of the haters of reality even make it to Armageddon at all? How do any survive to the end? Note that after all of this vast devastation and global carnage that the heart of the world has not grown softer towards Almighty God, but adamantly and violently harder (Rev. 9:20).

"And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries (drugs), nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts" (Rev. 9:20-21).

How awesomely amazingly, wondrously sobering and EXPONENTIALLY tragic beyond all imagination, that the inhabitants of this ravished world would still rather follow their demonic masters and their base practices after all that has come to pass. SUPRA-insanity, SUPRA-hysteria, SUPRA-lunacy, does not even begin to explain, nor describe these wretched souls and their mental state (2 Thess. 2: 5-12). As Almighty God cries out in His GRACE and MERCY and in His wondrous ETERNAL love to His creation; Turn, repent and be saved and yield your hearts to the perfect spiritual and natural absolutes of peace and righteousness (Isa. 32:17, James 3:18)! Receive My pardon found in My Beloved Son and have and enjoy ETERNAL life (John 3:16-17) and enjoy ME, your Creator in spirit and in truth (John 4:24) as was My design! But astonishingly, these unrepentant transgressors reply in a violent and raging harmony - to the LOVE and GRACE of Almighty God and shriek - NEVER! And as it were, give Almighty God the “branch to the nose” as they hold on to their delusion and demonic insanity with an iron clasped fist. Almighty God’s Word states:

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness (2 Thess. 2:10-12).

As the Second Woe comes to a horrific and devastating conclusion, one may ask himself, “What can ever top that?” It has been now exactly forty-two months and three and one half days since the Anti Christ’s confirming of the covenant with Israel and the world (Dan. 9:27, Rev. 6:2; 11:7-14) and since then, it has been absolute hell on earth (beyond one's comprehension) and a non stop global blood bath.

It is at this time that Almighty God will now remove His hedge that has protected Israel for these last forty two months..

As we are now about to see, Israel (the hosts of unbelieving Jews (Rev. 11:8) will now begin to feel the chastening hand of Almighty God, the global ravishing of Satan’s hatred and the world’s wrath. As the Second Woe comes to a near completion, so does also the mighty Two Witnesses of Almighty God’s ministry (Rev. 11:7). Their 1260 days are now fully accomplished and NOW the Anti Christ will own the next remaining 1260 days or 42 months of this tribulation period (Rev. 11:3; 13:1-5). The Second Woe has now come to a horrific conclusion following the Two Witnesses' resuscitation and ascension into Heaven in front of the newly reigning Anti Christ (Matt. 24:15, Rev. 13:1-5) and ALL of their global God hating enemies (Rev. 11:7-14). The exceeding terror and reality that now permeates ALL of the world's godless inhabitants because their dreaded enemies - which were destroyed by their new "savior and hero" (i.e., the Anti Christ) - have been resuscitated and have ascended into Heaven (Rev.11 :7-12).

The accumulated EXPONENTIAL catastrophic events of these first 3 1/2 years have now set the stage and tilled the ground for Lucifer's global "666" ultra fascist state.

The “Great Tribulation" also called "Jacob’s Trouble”, HAS NOW BEGUN! With the institution of the Abomination of Desolation (Jer. 30, Dan. 12, Zech.11. Matt. 24:15, Rev. 11:1-2, 12:9-17, 13), events for Israel and the godless world’s inhabitants will get even more EXPONENTIALLY worse, to the point of unimaginable proportions (Dan. 12:1, Matt. 24:21)! It will be now that Lucifer and Hid angels will be confined to this puny planet until Messiah's return and WOE unto the inhabitants of the earth (Rev. 12:12).

My dear friend, please try to comprehend that ALL current global events in our nation and in our world are heading to this destination and EXPONENTIALLY beyond (Rev. 19:11-21)! There is absolutely NO hope for mankind apart from their Creator and Savior (John 3:16-17, Gal.1:4). My dear friend, do you have a personal relationship to Jesus Christ? All your ETERNAL future depends on this very union.

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!

DJP I.F.


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To: Iscool

Let me beg to differ that one does not get into heaven by stuffing the “right doctrine” about Christ in their brain, either. That is a fleshly error. One gets into heaven by accepting the saving spirit of a Person. Jesus Christ. Even if the one doing the accepting is so far scramble minded that (to use a wild example) he thinks that this Jesus was incarnated as a lemon creme pie. Christ will clear all that up for him. To truly believe less is to demean the power of the actual Person, Jesus Christ.


121 posted on 06/22/2013 3:58:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I'm not going to be hardline about it though, since there appears to be at least some scriptural support to be found for all but Amillennialism.

I agree with that statement...My view is that the church will be Raptured out before the Tribulation starts...Yet there will be at least one, maybe two resurrections of people before the Tribulation is over...

122 posted on 06/22/2013 4:00:23 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Even where the Bible is concerned, Jewish practice was to not put it all on one huge scroll but to split it up into smaller scrolls.

Which does not really change my point.

See The Mechanic Muse, From Scroll to Screen

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The codex also came with a fringe benefit: It created a very different reading experience. With a codex, for the first time, you could jump to any point in a text instantly, nonlinearly. You could flip back and forth between two pages and even study them both at once. You could cross-check passages and compare them and bookmark them. You could skim if you were bored, and jump back to reread your favorite parts. It was the paper equivalent of random-access memory, and it must have been almost supernaturally empowering. With a scroll you could only trudge through texts the long way, linearly. (Some ancients found temporary fixes for this bug — Suetonius apparently suggested that Julius Caesar created a proto-notebook by stacking sheets of papyrus one on top of another.)

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And the author goes on to maintain that the move to e-readers is, in some respects, a return to some of the limitations of the scroll.

123 posted on 06/22/2013 4:01:20 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: Lee N. Field

I take it that common e-readers (this is where HTRN stays low tech) don’t have page flip modes, or at least very easy to use ones. Readers like Adobe Reader do give you some degree of page selection and (if awkward) parallel page viewing. But the easiest action is flip to next or flip to previous.

I am wondering if the estimable King Solomon had invented a scheme like this, with his encyclopedia which is now lost to us. He’d have a continual need to insert stuff in it and emend small parts, and a classic scroll would not be up to the task.


124 posted on 06/22/2013 4:05:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word "rapture" to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term "rapture" is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—"we will be caught up," [Latin: rapiemur]).


125 posted on 06/22/2013 4:09:49 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: metmom

Adam’s knowledge, I have every reason to believe, had full spiritual dimensions. His wife and he bowed to the serpent’s spirit. That would be exceeding dangerous to us today, until a deep knowledge of the Lord had been regained.


126 posted on 06/22/2013 4:11:18 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Thank you for the view into the official Roman Catholic understanding. All believing Christians will be caught up in this rapture event however it plays out. It will be very much denomination-agnostic.


127 posted on 06/22/2013 4:15:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Biggirl; caww
Just your opinion and your opinion only.

Well no; it's my opinion as well...And it appears to be the opinion of a few hundred million other folks...

128 posted on 06/22/2013 4:22:04 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It’s a pithier way of saying, “What is true has always been true.” If it took 1800 years before someone came up with an idea (like Darby) then Christians have been believing a falsehood from the time of those who knew Jesus best until that new idea, or that new idea is wrong.


129 posted on 06/22/2013 5:10:51 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: The Grammarian; HiTech RedNeck

Sometimes what has been true isn’t always recognized.

The Jews missed Jesus and He walked right in their midst, fulfilling prophecy.

It may just be a matter of understanding.


130 posted on 06/22/2013 5:31:11 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: The Grammarian
I tend to follow Wesley and the modern paleorthodox when I say, “Whatever is new, is not true.” Darby looks pretty new to me.

400 AD, Jerome in the Latin vulgate (in the Catholic Bible) used the word rapimur which means "rapture", or "caught up" to describe the Rapture. Jerome is actually the man who first coined the term – Rapture.

131 posted on 06/22/2013 5:50:31 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: CynicalBear

Cynical Bear...that’s truly beautiful....Perfection! Makes the heart beat for Him....


132 posted on 06/22/2013 6:22:47 PM PDT by caww
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To: Stingray

Wheat and tares are believers and unbelievers @ Judgement. Read Revelation....Goats and sheep...as well as others.


133 posted on 06/22/2013 6:28:43 PM PDT by caww
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To: Iscool

The word is used in the Vulgate in one place—1 Thessalonians 4:17, to translate the Greek parousia. The problem is that dispensationalism doesn’t have a monopoly on the Rapture.
Amillennialism, historic premillenialism and postmillennialism all recognize the term to mean the final assumption of Christians into heaven at the end of time.

Dispensationalism didn’t exist for another 1400 years after Jerome.


134 posted on 06/22/2013 6:29:08 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: Iscool

Thanks Iscool...appreciated.


135 posted on 06/22/2013 6:41:16 PM PDT by caww
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Let me beg to differ that one does not get into heaven by stuffing the “right doctrine” about Christ in their brain, either. That is a fleshly error. One gets into heaven by accepting the saving spirit of a Person. Jesus Christ. Even if the one doing the accepting is so far scramble minded that (to use a wild example) he thinks that this Jesus was incarnated as a lemon creme pie. Christ will clear all that up for him. To truly believe less is to demean the power of the actual Person, Jesus Christ.

You are being a little 'narrow' there...I don't believe a person will attain salvation if he believe that Jesus is a pie...Pies don't die on the cross for my sins...

And the doctrine of faith + works will not get you into heaven...And if you think those determinations come from the flesh, you haven't spent enough time in the bible...The wrong doctrines will definitely put one on the path to hell...

Rom_6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

1Ti_4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

2Ti_4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

136 posted on 06/22/2013 6:57:18 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Lee N. Field

Too complicated...complexity overwhelms knowledge....God did not make it hard to understand...but He certainly said there were some things that were beyond our understanding.


137 posted on 06/22/2013 6:58:50 PM PDT by caww
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To: Cvengr
After the Tribulation, it should be noted we still have a Millennium with a rule of iron. I suspect in that time, the technology will remain, but the control will be placed in the hands of the righteous King. Human history will still have enormous strides to cleanse the mind, our memories, and thinking processes of sin, but this time those who are indwelt are His people, Israel. We later receive our resurrection bodies, but not for while yet.

Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words.(I Thess. 4:13-18)

I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed - in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. (I Cor. 15:50-52)

I appears from Scripture that we SHALL receive our glorified, resurrection bodies at the Rapture and it will be both those who are alive at Christ's coming as well as the souls of those who have already died (coming WITH Christ) to meet their resurrection bodies at that same time.

138 posted on 06/22/2013 7:30:30 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Thanks for the verses. I stand corrected.


139 posted on 06/22/2013 7:34:27 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Stingray
THANK YOU!!!!
140 posted on 06/22/2013 8:15:20 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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