Posted on 06/21/2013 4:31:51 AM PDT by Colofornian
To help the children appreciate some of the difficulties faced by early members of the Church, and to strengthen the children’s desire to listen to and obey the prophet.
That says it all.
mormonism is all about control of not only the peson but their soul as well.
Watching my mormon family even after the hideous events in their family, still dutifully go to ward work in the fields/warehouses (because they can’t afford to pay “tithe”).
They never question anything for fear their “special underwear” will be taken from them.
You used a lot of words to say:
Jesus is not religion
and
the Bible is sufficient to spread the Good News.
I agree.
Maybe, just maybe people challenge you because you use so many words to state the simple.
Thanks. I appreciate the useful feedback.
You are right - I do tend to get wordy because it's hard to turn my brain off when I start on a topic - there's so much relevant stuff and I try to touch on way too much. I appreciate your mentioning it.
;-)
I take it that you were formerly Catholic?
What was written on that cross, Nana? It said “Vegeance is Mine: I will repay Saith the Lord.” Seems pretty obvious why Brigham Young would have wanted this torn down, irrespective of his view of the symbol of the cross. For what it is worth... I have several photos (a few of which were published in the book) of Brigham Young’s daughters wearing cross jewelry.
What was written on that cross, Nana? It said “Vegeance is Mine: I will repay Saith the Lord.” Seems pretty obvious why Brigham Young would have wanted this torn down, irrespective of his view of the symbol of the cross.
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What was it the Mormon author of the Mountain meadows Massacre of 120 unarmed Christian men, women, children and babes -in-arms said ???
“No vengence is not God’s. It’s mine and I took some” and he ordered the Cross torn down...
No Christian would have ever torn down a Cross over a burial place nor objected to scripture straight out of the Christian Bible..
But a Bible hating Mormon would...and did...
You are missing the point. Yes... the Mountain Meadow’s massacre was a horrendous event. If Brigham Young gave the command... which I understand there to be conflicting information on both sides over the issue (and I could go either way)... yes... that would indicate that he wasn’t much of a “Christian”... if one defines Christianity in relation to one’s ability to turn the other cheek, love thy neighbor as thyself, etc. But what is really the issue here? I mean, what is the issue in relation to the book here discussed? The book isn’t about the MMM. I am quite informed about this history, btw. In fact, Will Bagely (an excellent historian and authority on the subject—and the author of “blood of the prophet”) is a friend of mine, for what it’s worth. Neither is the discussion about who is and is not truly Christian. The use or non-use of the cross is a poor indication of this. As I explained in my book, early american protestants tended to reject the symbol, and regarded it (like Mormons of later generations) as a symbol of Catholic dominion. Anyhow... no... you are wrong in your claim that Brigham Young’s destruction of the cross monument is an indication that he rejected the symbol wholesale. This is contrary to the evidence. Brigham Young almost certainly destroyed it (if he indeed destroyed it at all) due to the inscription. Was Brigham Young a tyrant who commanded the massacre? Perhaps. But since my book isn’t on that topic, I have no real dog in that fight.
Started as a Catholic - Christening/Baptism/First Communion/Confirmation. Never got the real message or understood what it was all about. Could make the Latin responses in mass and not have a clue about what was being said. Made a conscious decision to become agnostic at about age 14 and stayed that way for close to 30 years. Events in life got me to acknowledge God and to begin praying, but still didn't have the real message. Sat in a non-denominational church at age 50 and heard and accepted the Good News - became saved that day with tears running down my cheeks. Got into the Bible and discovered so much to be in awe/wonder of and to appreciate God's Plan for us.
Good luck finding any historical proof to support this bald-faced lie. [SoConPubbie, post #17]
Yep. That comment made me stop dead in my tracks, too. [Alex Murphy, post #64 -- response to SoConPubbie]
Mr. Reed...Seems to be a consensus here about this part of your book: Your claim that there was "an era of widespread Protestant hostility to the cross"
What is the basis of this claim?
Mr. Reed...Seems to be a consensus here about this part of your book: Your claim that there was “an era of widespread Protestant hostility to the cross”. What is the basis of this claim?
There is a lot of evidence to support this, but outside of reading my book, I’d recommend you also get your hands on Ryan K. Smith’s excellent book titled “Gothic Arches Latin Crosses: Anti-Catholicism and American Church Designs in the Nineteenth Century” (University of North Carolina Press, 2006). I cover some of his research in my book, and you may notice that Dr. Smith was kind enough to contribute a blurb endorsing the back of my book.
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