Posted on 06/13/2013 4:51:02 AM PDT by Rashputin
Them ‘Damned’ Catholics
on June 12, 2013
By Walid Shoebat
Throughout the Church’s history, it has warred with Islam. Yet, it has nothing to offer us today. This is the typical answer I get when I discuss Christian history with many Evangelicals. They tell me that beyond the Bible, there is nothing else we need. So next time you have a fire in the house, read the Bible, don’t forget to pray while you forget dialing 911 and enjoy the smoke and fire billowing inside the house.
I find it difficult to even ask questions: What was Christian history like, that withstood Islam’s evil and defeated it in Europe? Why and how did Christendom lose Egypt and Asia Minor to Islam? And what are we doing in our days to emulate or not emulate from that history?
The one million dollar question that no one can answer – although I will get many remarks from people damning me as a heretic – is this: Why did God choose Catholics to stop Islam in its tracks in all the major battles intended to destroy Christendom? Anyone who has the answer, please step forward.
What do most spirit-filled evangelicals know about the Battle of Lepanto, Battle of Tours, The Battle of Vienna, and The Battle of Malta?
Had the ‘damned’ Catholics not fought the Battle of Tours, all of Europe would have been Muslim today, like in Asia Minor. It would have been the end of Christianity, as we know it. Today, Turkey (Byzantium) is 99% Muslim and looks very likely to produce the Antichrist while Evangelicals still think that Antichrist and the Harlot is the Roman Catholic Church.
Why is it so rare to find holy spirit-filled evangelicals that speak of such history, except paint it as Crusader, dark, warring and bloodthirsty? What difference then is there between the die-hard liberal and the spirit-filled evangelical? Both criticize this history. Even further, like many evangelicals and liberals, the Muslims also condemn this history. So why do we echo their interpretation as we damn the Catholic?
Why? Is it because of them ‘damned’ Catholics who defended Christendom and saved the Protestants from utter annihilation? Could it be perhaps the Catholics did something right, like fight them damned Muslims and thwart them from annihilating Christendom?
In all these battles there were no Protestants coming to help save Europe and Protestant states refrained from helping or even lifting a finger. They were too busy doing Bible studies on how them ‘damned’ Catholics were the Antichrist.
Perhaps I need to exercise the typical American habit before speaking about such matters and prequalify my statements. I am not saying that all Protestants are evil, heavens no. Yet, every time I say the word “Catholic” and the whole church jumps up and down pin-pointing the leaven of the Catholics without even looking into the piles of dung worth of heretical books produced by so-called evangelicals.
Is the rich Catholic history such an evil subject that the Bible warned us not to touch and even beat down on the Catholic wars with Islam? Even during Nazism, there were many more of these ‘damned’ Catholics that chose to die in Hitler’s ovens than there were evangelicals and Protestants put together. Are these Catholics damned to hell despite making a choice to enter Hitler’s furnace? Which of the two is more pleasing to God, the sodomite loving pastor or the Jew loving Catholic who died in the infernos of Hitler’s crematoria?
So who will answer my questions? Will it be some unlearned, half-cocked, spikey-haired, tattooed, nose-pierced, ear ringed, mocking, useless, teenage brained heretic from The Free Grace Movement who will instantly obtain from his own authority to anathematize and excommunicate me since such homosexual sodomite sinners must be welcomed into the fold as Christians without repentance? Will such mutants be the future soldiers who will outdo the Knights of Saint John and fight to thwart the forces of darkness and the devil? What will they use to fight, the earrings of their noses and the spikes of their stupid looking hair? Or perhaps these are the very sons of the devil?
Must I denounce the Pope as a heretic while I remain silent on America’s pastor, this self-appointed son-of-the-devil-pope named Rick Warren who signs a treaty with Islam saying we “worship the same God”? Dare I say anything on that fattened whore who pussyfoots with homosexuality while he condemns the Crusaders in that very treaty?
Perhaps these things can aid in answering my question, which I’ve asked more than once and no one seems to have answered: During my two-decade walk in my Holy Spirit filled evangelical faith; Jesus said: “I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. Well, in two thousand years, who was this church? Was the church lost from the time the authors of the New Testament departed until the time the holy Martin Luther showed up? Hitler used Martin Luther’s demonic writ, On The Jews and Their Lies, to help him rid Europe of six million Jews.
Evangelicals answer this dilemma by saying that the true Church was always there but it was persecuted by them ‘damned’ Catholics. Yet, such answers are impossible to prove. Perhaps some Jesus-style questions will help clarify this issue. So which Christian movement was it that them ‘damned’ Catholics persecuted? Was it the Montanists, Novationists, Donatists, Docetists, Cathars, Albigensians, Waldenses, Hussites, and the followers of Wycliff? Were these “The Church” that Jesus spoke about? Were these the true Bible-believing, evangelical-type, spirit-filled believers?
There is no historian who will tell you that these movements even fit into the definition of evangelical “spirit-filled” model. Such movements, which the Catholics squashed (thank God), were radically non-Christian, heretical, and gnostic. Only the Waldenses and the Hussites were somewhat Christian but even these were closer to Catholicism than they were evangelical. How would a common Holy Spirit-filled evangelical even know what these movements are all about? After all, we only need the Bible and the hell with history, right? To ignore history is to also ignore the Bible.
Even Martin Luther and the Protestant movement, which came up with the Westminster Confession of Faith (WCF) that is adhered to by protestant denominations, in fact, aided the Ottoman Muslims and provided them with tin to build canons to destroy catholic states because in their view, the Catholic Church was the Harlot of Babylon and the Antichrist.
So important was this WCF that it was an essential doctrine of the faith and was non-negotiable. If the Trinity was essential, so was this belief regarding Catholics. Despite Islam’s overt denial of the Trinity, it was never even mentioned in the WCF while the Catholics who prevented the annihilation of Christendom, took precedence over Islam when it came to that document, despite Islam being the religion of Antichrist. Even Martin Luther himself came around on this issue to confess after reading the writing of the Catholic Riccaldo Di Montecroce in his wonderful work, Refutation of The Quran. As a result, Luther changed his views and even according to him Islam was the system of Antichrist, yet the WCF never even included it.
And lest I get into grace versus works theology… One thing is certain; Jesus gave the example about the good worker and the gung-ho church-goers of His day when He chose the Samaritan over the Pharisee who walked by the persecuted beaten naked man and did nothing, claiming he was doing the Lord’s business. If we take that example, the Samaritan in that time would be viewed as the way we view a Catholic; ‘he was all screwed up and got it all wrong’. The Samaritan didn’t even follow Sola Scriptura and his canon of Scripture was missing many books. He even believed such madness that the Temple was on mount Gerizim and not Jerusalem. Yet, Jesus honored the Samaritan over the Pharisee who got both the Bible and Temple correct – but helped not, the persecuted.
When Jesus comes, He will throw in hell many ‘damned’ Catholics and them ‘damned’ Evangelicals for not helping persecuted un-damned Jews, un-damned Catholics and un-damned Evangelicals and other un-damned others (Matthew 25). Today, neither Catholic nor Protestant is doing much to save Christians slaughtered in Muslim countries. Name me the organization that rescues Christians today? There are NONE. We try and our supporters are predominately Armenian, Copts and Assyrians. Where is America’s pastor? Where are the American Evangelicals and Catholics? Perhaps I should follow the Copt, Assyrian or even Armenian and dump this modernized homosexual-loving, Americanized version of Christianity.
While we accuse these ancient churches of holding to deuterocanonical books like The Wisdom of Solomon, which Evangelicals reject, in less than fifty words, sums up the entire purpose of the Incarnation of the Son of God and why God became man:
“While all things were in quiet silence, and the night was in the midst of her swift course, Thine almighty Word leaped out of Heaven out of Thy royal throne, as a fierce man of war, into the midst of a land of destruction.” (Wisdom of Solomon, 18:14-15)
Who is this “Thine almighty Word”? Who was “The Word”? When will He leap from out of Heaven and out of “Thy Royal throne”? When will He be this “man of war”? Is this not a prophecy about Christ coming to battle in the end of days? Who is He battling with? The Catholics, who preserved the Bible – including The Wisdom of Solomon? Has wisdom departed from earth that no man can point it out? Isn’t the Holy Spirit leading me to re-discover such prophecies struck out of the American evangelical Bibles? Is Polycarp who was the student of John unnecessary for study? Was Irenaeus his student so unimportant? Was the Coptic Church that was founded by Saint Mark of the Bible unimportant? Was it not Christ who built that Church in Egypt? Even when the Portuguese first entered India they found native Christians who, to their surprise, declared their apostolic succession to St. Thomas.
When I first became Christian, I entered an Evangelical Church that taught me that in Daniel chapter II, the two legs were the Eastern and Western churches (Orthodox and Catholic) and that these were the spirit of Antichrist. Yet, I never believed them because I examined the Word of God and discovered that Bible prophecies were speaking of Islam. Was I not following the Bible or were these Evangelicals misinterpreting the Bible? It was the Evangelicals who also misinterpreted many things in the Bible.
I reject all doctrines that differ with the Bible but for centuries, Holy Protestants have pointed to several Popes as Antichrist, which have all turned out to be false. Is this not unholy slander? Did Jesus not warn about such damned slanderers?
We trumpet: “my people perish for the lack of knowledge” when we, the ones who trumpet such verses are perishing. There is a difference between knowing the Bible and doing the Bible.
But there is also a difference between emotionally loving Jesus and doing what Jesus says. We preach something. Yet, we follow the opposite; we continue in lacking knowledge.
As a result, we see things from a certain prism we think is holy and is not.
And Mussolini made the trains run on time. What hath light have to do with darkness?
No, I am telling you that I most certainly will not be swimming the Tiber because of the Muslim horde. that does not nullify 'Come out of her, my people'. The Roman church can pat her own back all she wants, it doesn't change the cup she holds.
'Horns like a lamb, but speaks like a dragon'... here's your sign...
I don't ask folks who flee from a Crucifix like a bunch of low budget movie Vampires to do anything.
I simply posted what I think is an excellent article that addresses some of the silly divisions and the lies and absurd thinking that serve to divide Christians. Divisions and lies encouraged along with the spreading of blasphemies by both ignorant, misled, people, and people who claim to be Christian and are not, or who claim to be Jews and are not and who are in reality liars from the synagogue of Satan.
Right. I know about them- The Roman church and her false ecumenicsim, the lies of popery, the absurd thinking of tradition. the division created by claimed authority and conversion by the sword. The blasphemy of idolatry and paganism, pantheons of saints... alternatives to Yeshua (anti-christ)...
That is not the TRUTH of YHWH. Unity will come in truth.
I see, so Jesus Christ isn’t the only begotten Son of God who died for our sins ?
My you are a bird walker. In your rush to say “nanny nanny boo boo” you missed the point. The only point I am making is that our American view on history is colored by our English heritage and that heritage is colored by Henry VIII’s dynastic progeny difficulties and Henry’s decision to make himself “head of the church in England”. He achieved his Defender of the Faith moniker for refuting Luther. Once he broke with Rome, any teacher, historian or writer did so at peril of his life. Ask Thomas More. In your “Oh, please” doesn’t address my point: Charles Martel, Ferdinand and Isabella, Jan Sobieski are either untaught or unrecognized in English / American military history.
Regarding the Crusades: the Bible is replete with epistles to churches throughout present day Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq and Syria. The same is true of North Africa. Islam conquered and destroyed all of them. The Crusades were a defensive response to Islamic expansionism.
Yeshua the Messiah is the Son of YHWH, who died for our sins.
Is Jesus Lord? Is Jesus the Second Person of the Trinity, eternally begotten of the Father before all ages?
I am not missing any point. I declared the point too narrow. The OP is, like you seemed to have, glossing over the horrible atrocities the Roman church has intentionally performed. If you care to complain about Martel not being taught, why then shouldn't De Montfort be taught too? why did that fail to come to mind?
Regarding the Crusades: the Bible is replete with epistles to churches throughout present day Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq and Syria. The same is true of North Africa. Islam conquered and destroyed all of them. The Crusades were a defensive response to Islamic expansionism.
not the ones in Europe. And the Jews might have a different view of the 'defensive responses' of the Roman church in the Holy Land and Spain.
Ooh, a movie reference. There’s a nice TouTube of Mel Brooks’ treatment of the Spanish Inquisition, speaking of movies.
Hos 2:16 And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.
That book was mistakenly identified. It is the Orthodox Book of the Gospels — always green in color.
People in little Gnostic cliques prefer lies to the Truth so they repeat lies.
If you belong to a Church that has false teachings, that is likely to have some effect on your relation with Jesus. Both sides in the Reformation knew this.
Not to put too fine a “pint” on it, what “horrible attrocities” has the Church of Rome committed that were worse than those committed by Protestants? In the religious wars in France and later in Germany, both sides acted with savagery. In England, the government of Elizabeth persecuted both Puritans and Papists with zeal, but killed as many Papists as Mary killed Protestants. Oliver Cromwell was as savage in his suppression of the Catholic uprising in Ireland as the Inquisition had been in the Netherlands.
Soon we will need to help each other. Thanks for article.
Among Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholics the Gospel Book (Greek: Εὐαγγέλιον,
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Eastern Orthodox
From Wiki
Evangélion) is very important liturgically. It is considered to be an icon of Christ, and is venerated in the same manner as an icon. Traditionally, the Orthodox will never cover the Gospel Book in leather—the skin of a
dead animal—because the words of Christ are considered to be life-giving. Animal
skins are also reminiscent of the Fall of Man, when God fashioned garments of skin
for Adam and Eve after their disobedience (Genesis 3:21). The Apostle Paul speaks
of Christ being the "New Adam" (I_Corinthians 15:22,47-49), and the Orthodox
understand Christ as coming to clothe mankind in the original "garments of light"
which Adam and Eve lost in Paradise. Traditionally, the Gospel is covered in gold, the earthly element which is best symbolizes the glory of Heaven.
If gold is unavailable, the Gospel may be covered in cloth..
Interesting about the dead animal thing.
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