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To: fidelis
"Do this in remeberance of me," pretty much sums up everything He intended to mean.
15 posted on 06/02/2013 1:19:22 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude; fidelis
"Do this in remeberance of me," pretty much sums up everything He intended to mean.

Indeed it does ... except, you bolded the wrong text. DO THIS is not a suggestion; it is a command.

John 6:30 begins a colloquy that took place in the synagogue at Capernaum. The Jews asked Jesus what sign he could perform so that they might believe in him. As a challenge, they noted that "our ancestors ate manna in the desert." Could Jesus top that? He told them the real bread from heaven comes from the Father. "Give us this bread always," they said. Jesus replied, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst." At this point the Jews understood him to be speaking metaphorically.

Jesus first repeated what he said, then summarized: "‘I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.’ The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’" (John 6:51–52).

His listeners were stupefied because now they understood Jesus literally—and correctly. He again repeated his words, but with even greater emphasis, and introduced the statement about drinking his blood: "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him" (John 6:53–56).

Notice that Jesus made no attempt to soften what he said, no attempt to correct "misunderstandings," for there were none. Our Lord’s listeners understood him perfectly well. They no longer thought he was speaking metaphorically. If they had, if they mistook what he said, why no correction?

On other occasions when there was confusion, Christ explained just what he meant (cf. Matt. 16:5–12). Here, where any misunderstanding would be fatal, there was no effort by Jesus to correct. Instead, he repeated himself for greater emphasis.

In John 6:60 we read: "Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, ‘This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?’" These were his disciples, people used to his remarkable ways. He warned them not to think carnally, but spiritually: "It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life" (John 6:63; cf. 1 Cor. 2:12–14).

But he knew some did not believe. (It is here, in the rejection of the Eucharist, that Judas fell away; look at John 6:64.) "After this, many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him" (John 6:66).

This is the only record we have of any of Christ’s followers forsaking him for purely doctrinal reasons. If it had all been a misunderstanding, if they erred in taking a metaphor in a literal sense, why didn’t he call them back and straighten things out? Both the Jews, who were suspicious of him, and his disciples, who had accepted everything up to this point, would have remained with him had he said he was speaking only symbolically.

But he did not correct these protesters. Twelve times he said he was the bread that came down from heaven; four times he said they would have "to eat my flesh and drink my blood." John 6 was an extended promise of what would be instituted at the Last Supper—and it was a promise that could not be more explicit.

So, what did the early christians believe? Ignatius of Antioch, who had been a disciple of the apostle John and who wrote a letter to the Smyrnaeans about A.D. 110, said, referring to "those who hold heterodox opinions," that "they abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again" (6:2, 7:1).

orty years later, Justin Martyr, wrote, "Not as common bread or common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nourished, . . . is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus" (First Apology 66:1–20).

25 posted on 06/02/2013 2:14:43 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: fwdude
**Do this in remembrance of me."**

And so the priest does. Much like the Jewish people have a meal of remembrance at Passover time.

Christ in the past who died on the Cross, is united with Christ in the Mass -- the consecrated Bread and Wine -- the Body and Blood of Jesus, and Christ in the future, who will come again, are all united in that one moment of consecration. Remember that with God there is no time.

In the last two lines of this St. Paul quote to the Corinthians, Paul says virtually that.

Reading 2 1 Cor 11:23-26

Brothers and sisters:
I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you,
that the Lord Jesus, on the night he was handed over,
took bread, and, after he had given thanks,
broke it and said, "This is my body that is for you.
Do this in remembrance of me."
In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying,
"This cup is the new covenant in my blood.
Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me."
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup,
you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes.


41 posted on 06/02/2013 4:03:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: fwdude; All
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"YE SHALL KEEP IT a FEAST to the LORD Throughout Your Generations; ye shall keep it a FEAST by An ORDINANCE FOREVER. "

Remember God's reply to Moses. "I Am" He is in the Eternal present. We are not. We were not there at the Cross. We are in the time space continuum of creation. Time is created from the movement of Planets. The earth moves around a full day(24 hours) then 365 days are a year. A decade is 10 years. Then 100 years is past. 1000 years are past too. So on and so forth.

While all this is happening God is still not bound by time like we are. He is outside of his creation. So when he declares "I Am" he is constant there is no beginning, middle or end. He is the Alpha and Omega as in the Book of revelation.

The bloody sacrifice has been done.

"Christ is not recrucified; the Sacrifice of the Mass is unbloody -- after the order of Melchizedek. Christ died once at a FINITE POINT IN HISTORY; but God is Outside of Time and His offering of Himself is eternal. The Grace Christ offers in the Divine Liturgy and what He offered on the Cross are of the same sacrifice; therefore, in no way can the liturgical Sacrifice be a "repetition" of the Crucifixion. His sacrifice is re-presented ("made present again in some way"). As the Council of Trent put it, "The fruits of that bloody sacrifice, it is well understood, are received most abundantly through this unbloody one, so far is the latter from derogating in any way from the former."

Also remember Moses reminded the Israelites that the passover which contains eating the lamb forever decreed by God. Exodus 12

Exodus 12:1-14 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying, This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you. Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house: And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. And they shall EAT THE FLESH in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. ............... it is the LORD's PASSOVER................................................And this Day Shall Be Unto You for a Memorial; and YE SHALL KEEP IT a FEAST to the LORD Throughout Your Generations; ye shall keep it a FEAST by An ORDINANCE FOREVER.

"YE SHALL KEEP IT a FEAST to the LORD Throughout Your Generations; ye shall keep it a FEAST by An ORDINANCE FOREVER. "

Gee How is it still going on as promised. Never ending.

Christ introduced on the FEAST OF PASSOVER the everlasting body and everlasting blood. He just by chanced put this at Passover where it is promised by Moses that we will eat the Lamb forever? HMMM....

Moses is not a liar. The Jewish today do not have sacrifices so what in the world is going on with this promise by MOSES. HMMM.....

Could it be that CHRIST REPLACED IT with THE TRUE LAMB WITHOUT Taking away the Eating the BODY the LAMB by BENIGN PRESENCE. HMMMM.....

Otherwise we make Moses a LIAR. HE is not a Liar.

There is no more evidence of this promised continuum except for the Mass.

http://www.fisheaters.com/mass.html

46 posted on 06/02/2013 4:15:47 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: fwdude
"Do this in remeberance of me," pretty much sums up everything He intended to mean.

But do what in remembrance of Him? Certainly, considering His insistent and relentlessly explicit words in John 6, He means, eat and drink Communion in His true Body and Blood. (Which makes sense: we can both receive HIM really and, as well, remember Him).

Perhaps you think He means some nostalgic play-acting like the Civil War re-enactors: going through the motions but with no effect. Saying the historic words but shooting blanks.

96 posted on 06/02/2013 6:25:57 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (" If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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