Posted on 05/31/2013 2:44:05 PM PDT by NYer
Do our Catholic children and most adults know what these images teach?
All of us know one of the elephants in the room of the Catholic Church. Our religious education programs are not handing on the essence of our Catholic Faith, our parents are befuddled about their role in handing on the faith and the materials we use are vapid or if good do not make an impression on young minds. We are afraid of asking for memorization and thus most don't remember anything they've learned about God and Church other than some niceties and feel good emotions.
I teach each class of our grades 1-6 (we don't have 7th or 8th) each Thursday, rotating classes from week to week. For the last two years I have used Baltimore Catechism #1 as my text book. It is wonderful to use with children and it is so simple yet has so much content. If Catholics, all Catholics, simply studied Baltimore Catechism #1, we would have very knowledgeable Catholics.
These past two years I've used Baltimore Catechism #2 with our adult religious program which we call Coffee and Conversation following our 9:30 AM Sunday Mass, which coincides with our CCD program which we call PREP (Parish Religious Education Program).
This #2 book has more content and is for middle school, but upper elementary school children must have been more capable of more serious content back when this book was formulated and used through the mid 1960's because it is a great book to use with adults and not childish at all. We all use this same book as a supplemental book for the RCIA because it is so clear, nobly simple and chocked full of content!
Yes, there are some adjustments that need to be made to some chapters, but not that many, in light of Vatican II and the new emphasis we have on certain aspects of Church that are not present in the Baltimore Catechism. But these are really minor.
What is more important though is that when the Baltimore Catechism was used through the mid 1960's it was basically the only book that was used for children in elementary and junior high school. It was used across the board in the USA thus uniting all Catholics in learning the same content. There was not, in other words, a cottage industry of competing publishing houses selling new books and different content each year.
The same thing has occurred with liturgical music, a cottage industry of big bucks has developed around the sale of new hymnals, missalettes and new music put on the open market for parishes to purchase. It is a money making scheme.
Why do our bishop allow this to happen in both liturgical music and parish catechesis? The business of selling stuff to parishes and making mega bucks off of it is a scandal that has not be addressed.
In the meantime, our liturgies suffer and become fragmented because every parish uses a different resource for liturgical music and the same is true of religious formation, everyone uses something different of differing quality or no quality at all.
Isn't it time to wake up and move forward with tried and true practices that were tossed out in favor of a consumerist's approach to our faith that has weakened our liturgies, our parishes and our individual Catholics?
You still have not answered my question; Do you spend hours prowling the internet looking for anti-Catholic material or do you have a stash left over from previous incarnations?
Peace be with you
DOMATIC TEACHING, cite a dogmatic teaching, oh wait, that’s right you never do that, just cite opinions.
No he did not. That has been covered by another poster that your Church interprets verses to their own aggrandizement and power grabs.
But he crossed the Church any way. What does that say about Galileo? Hot tempered? Arrogant? Insolent? Impudent? Immature? Egomaniacal?
“You cannot help it, Signor Sarsi, that it was granted to me alone to discover all the new phenomena in the sky and nothing to anybody else. This is the truth which neither malice nor envy can suppress.” Galileo Galilei, "The Assayer"
What gave your Church the right to imprison an old man in poor health??
"Imprisoned" in Galileo's own villa in Arcetri with a lifetime pension. He agreed to abide by the results of the trial which was a result of his reneging on the agreement he freely made in 1616. He also breached his agreement with his supporter Pope Urban VIII. Rational people would concur that Galileo got exactly what he asked for. That was a far better sentence than the one Kepler would have received if the protestants at Tubingen had caught him.
Did Jesus preach imprisonment of those who didn't believe a certain way?
Indeed He did, re: eternal imprisonment.
Heliocentrism is a FACT and it don't take no Rocket Scientist to know that.
Tell that to Aristotle, Luther, Melanchthon and Calvin and the faculty at Tubingen if you ever meet them. By the way, Galileo was asserting the geocentrism was a fact in 1606 in Trattato della Sfera.
“There can never, indeed, be any real discrepancy between the theologian and the physicist, as long as each confines himself within his own lines, and both are careful, as St. Augustine warns us, ‘not to make rash assertions, or to assert what is not known as known.’” Pope Leo XIII, Providentissimus Deus
Incorrect, yet again. You are offering an opinion not fact.
“Tell me, did your Church really put Galileo under house arrest and threaten him for asserting the world was round rather than flat as your Church officials taught? “
Well points for mentioning the word “Galileo” but they are offset by being completely wrong about what Galileo taught and what the nature of the dispute was. It was the Church that agreed with Columbus the earth was round in the 1400’s but told him he as wrong about its size, and the Church was far closer to the truth than Columbus. It was a priest, confessor of Isabella that got Columbus his audience with the queen and his opportunity to explore. St. Bede in the 600’s is plainly describing the round earth and far more.
What or who determines what is and is not misinterpreted? In the absence of any teaching authority do we simply have to take your word for it?
Pax et Bonem
You confuse prudential statements with actual Church teaching which qualifies you to host your own show on either MSNBC or CNN.
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, Prayer
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, The Sacramentals
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, Matrimony
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, Extreme Unction and Holy Orders
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, Temporal Punishment and Indulgences
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, How to Make a Good Confession
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, Confession
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, Contrition
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, Penance
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, Holy Communion
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, The Sacrifice of the Mass
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, The Holy Eucharist
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, Confirmation
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, Baptism
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, The Sacraments
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Two: The Commandments, The Commandments of the Church;The Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Commandments of the Church
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Two: The Commandments, The Commandments of the Church; First and Second Commandments of the Church
The Baltimore Catechism:Part Two: The Commandments, The Seventh, Eighth, Ninth, and Tenth Commandments of God
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Two: The Commandments, The Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Commandments of God
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Two: The Commandments, The Second and Third Commandments of God
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Two: The Commandments, Honoring the Saints, Relics, and Images
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Two: The Commandments, The First Commandment of God
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Two: The Commandments, The Two Great Commandments
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Resurrection and Life Everlasting
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Communion of Saints and the Forgiveness of Sins
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Marks and Attributes of the Church
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Catholic Church
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Virtues and the Gifts of the Holy Ghost
The Baltimore Catehcism: Part One: The Creed, The Holy Ghost and Grace
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Redemption
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Incarnation
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, Actual Sin
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Creation and the Fall of Man
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, Creation and the Angels
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Unity and Trinity of God
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, God and His Perfections
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Purpose of Man's Existence
“Who said that Barnes is authoritative?”
And why, exactly, does he have to be? Do you think that you have the authority to remove words from the scripture to make them mean what you want? It doesn’t matter if you beat your chest about it. The phrase is “no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation,” not “No scripture is of any private interpretation.”
So much for the whole “We reed teh Bible two!”
I determined it with my secret decoder ring in my box of YOPIOS cereal. The Authority which your Church claims is not in harmony with the rest of the Scriptures. There is no Peterine succession. The REAL Churchs Leader is Christ, yours is the Pope.
Too obtuse to listen.
“DOMATIC TEACHING, cite a dogmatic teaching, oh wait, that’s right you never do that, just cite opinions.”
The opinion of two Popes and a book endorsed and believed in by a third. If you don’t like it, find a new religion.
"And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:15-16
Well if you are citing him as authoritative source shouldn't he be? Doh those pesky facts.
“So, in your Protestant sunday school classes you just hand the kids the Bible and walk out of the room?”
No protestants (and I used to be one!) are big on making kids memorize random bible verses then punish them if they can’t.
Are infallible or do you concede that your interpretations and "determinations" are subject to error?
Peace be with you
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