Posted on 05/29/2013 2:02:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
RE: I would guess their aversion to Christ comes from the deep-seated Jewish belief that the messiah would be a warrior king who would destroy Israel’s enemies.
So, how do they interpret Isaiah 53 - THE SUFFERING SERVANT?
The willingness of Jesus’ apostles to die horrible deaths rather than recant their faith, and their witnessing of Jesus after His resurrection is extremely probative of Christ’s resurrection for me. If He were not raised, Christianity fails. The apostles’ deaths, for me, is proof enough.
I heard that before a while back - it is not new. But the person did not say faith was not needed. Anyone who says that will be reject whatever else comes out of their mouth.
“Without faith it is impossible to please Mim: for he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.”
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Nature is not a mind. We have absolutely no evidence for this. In fact, this is actually a ridiculous assertion, akin to believing in a literal ‘Mother Nature’.
Besides, if he believes so-called ‘nature’ is a conscious, calculating force.... well, that sounds a whole lot like God to me.
I have no idea. I’m not an expert on Judaism, and a Jew I’m sure could give you some answer.
He should have stated it as you did then. Tell him you want to proof read his work first, and hopefully he hasn’t taken someone else’s work and made it like it’s his.
Jesus says, “If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.”
Jews in the time of Christ looked for a military Messiah who would defeat the Romans, Palestine returning to their possession. Israel’s military savior, not a savior who would die for the sins of the world. They saw only one coming of the Messiah. Christians see two, the first one to die for the sins of the world, the second one is the military one Jews look for (Armageddon).
I’m gonnah ve to find that late tonight- we’re gettign bad lightiening here- shutting down computer- I did a quick search, but am not findign it- but i have come across it before- so it’s there- somewhere0- just gotta find it
Another very compelling element.
The very idea of a ‘resurrection’ is patently un-Jewish. The disciples would have little reason to propagate such an outlandish claim if it were not true. If anything, it would have served to alienate potential Jewish converts.
That's my belief.
[[Nature is not a mind.]] I realize that- but peopel liek demski somehow thin kit is- their hypothesis abotu how information arose is bizzare to say the least
[[Besides, if he believes so-called ‘nature’ is a conscious, calculating force.... well, that sounds a whole lot like God to me.]]
That’s why I say he misses them ark by 10 to the 2,000,000th power when the answetr is right htere in front of him
Slow down buddy, your typing is unbelievable tangled up - hard to read...
I don’t think he understands statistics and probability.
Basically, if something is possible, no matter how improbable, sooner or later it WILL happen.
RE: Jews in the time of Christ looked for a military Messiah who would defeat the Romans, Palestine returning to their possession. Israel’s military savior, not a savior who would die for the sins of the world
So, how do the Jews interpret Isaiah 53 - THE SUFFERING SERVANT?
I was mistaken, it was in philidelphia, not chicago- here’s a blurb from pathlights site
[[*Murray Eden showed that it would be impossible for even a single ordered pair of genes to be produced by DNA mutations in the bacteria, E. coli,—with 5 billion years in which to produce it! His estimate was based on 5 trillion tons of the bacteria covering the planet to a depth of nearly an inch during that 5 billion years. He then explained that the genes of E. coli contain over a trillion (1012) bits of data. That is the number 10 followed by 12 zeros. *Eden then showed the mathematical impossibility of protein forming by chance. He also reported on his extensive investigations into genetic data on hemoglobin (red blood cells). ]]
[[A number of mathematicians, familiar with the biological problems, spoke at that 1966 Wistar Institute. They clearly refuted neo-Darwinianism in several areas, and showed that its “fitness” and “adaptation” theories were tautologous—little more than circular reasoning. In contrast, some of the biologists who spoke at the convention could not see the light. They understood bugs and turtles, but could grasp neither the mathematical impossibilities of evolutionary theory nor the broad picture of how thoroughly defunct evolution really is.]]
http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/Encyclopedia/20hist12.htm
The consensus of them eetign was that evoltuion was not mathematically possible- not any part of it-
Evolution was guided by the hand of God and he shaped the earth and heavens to satisfy the curiosity of the man and woman he created. We are blessed to have all the things that he has created..to study, wonder at and preserve.
[[Slow down buddy, your typing is unbelievable tangled up - hard to read...]]
sorry- my usually horrible typing is much worse today as I’m rushign tryign ot get off the net before lightening hits-
Unlike me - I'd be in the face of those who killed me and say 'and that's your best shot? I'm here to tell you, it didn't work and leave them trembling'.
I have alot work to be more like Jesus - on my way but haven't arrived!
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