Sorry, no sale. The BSA is dead.
I recall reading somewhere that this age bracket is the most vulnerable to experiment with sex and are the most vulnerable for ssa. Anyone else have more details on this?
I’d say the Catholic church has stopped following their own rules for a long time.
“But, that same-sex attraction itself (which is the only factor addressed by the policy), should bar membership (which is the only application of the policy) in a secular organization seems difficult to argue; to propose further that maintaining such a bar is a litmus test for Catholic sponsorship of an organization seems even less tenable. Consider: same-sex attraction, standing alone, does not prohibit one from being a fully initiated Catholic. To argue, therefore, that, say, a Catholic parish must hold a sponsored organization to a higher membership standard than it holds itself to is at best anomalous.”
This is where the error lies. The Church can and does often impose a requirement higher than simple Catholicity to participate in certain parish activities. For example. There is a requirement on the choir to have an in-tune singing voice - to be able to since along with the head of the choir. There’s the requirement for the priests himself that are well above the membership. For Catholic teachers - the Church doesn’t require that the students be Catholic - but it does require them to abide by the teachings of the Church, and requires that the teachers teach a curricula that is compatible with the Catholic church. A student who is openly gay is considered to be in defiance of this principle, and our school, as well as other schools, can ask them to leave.
The key point here - is ‘openly gay’. A boy scout who is openly gay and practicing, cannot be admitted to a Catholic Boy Scout group for the same reason that the Catholic school asks that the students, if not Catholic - respect the teachings of the Church. Why?
The responsibility is on the Catholic church to protect the students in their charge - many of whom are Catholic themselves, from scandal.
What happens if one of these gay boys do sodomize another, younger boy in the full view of the Catholic parish? Are we really going to get away with saying that the requirements of Catholicity permitted us to admit another child who was in open defiance to the teachings of the Catholic church? Does it absolve us of our fiduciary responsibility to all the children to protect them from abuse? No, no, it does not. We have the numbers and we have the facts. Letting openly gay boys in will result in the sodomizing of these boys. Knowing what we know now and then proceeding to put these children in harms way isn’t going to be a justification against wilfull negligence.
So, boys who are attracted to other boys should participate in overnights with them?
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Exactly how low an IQ must one have not to see the problem?
The new policy allows OPENLY GAY AND PROFESSING GAY boys into the scouts. They cannot be excluded.
It follows that scout leaders will not be allowed to “discriminate” against gay scouts—which means that they will not be permitted to tell ANY Boy Scouts that gay sex is wrong. And other Scouts will not be allowed to express their feelings about gay behavior, because that would be “bullying.”
In other words, the new policy requires everyone connected with scouting to express their approval of being gay.
So, this argument is demonstrably unsupportable. You cannot in good conscience remain a Catholic and support or belong to the Boy Scouts.
This is typical lawyer language. Or may I call it Bull Excrement.
The Church will soon find that legally the BSA can no longer deny leadership to adult active Homosexuals. The Law Suits are already being filed and the BSA will once again spend MILLLIONS of DOLLARS to defend their new membership rules, but this time they will lose, because you can not distinguish between an 18 year old by one day and a seventeen year old with one day till his 18th birthday.
It was always all or nothing with the Homo Lobby and they pushed over and over to allow for their degenerate lifestyle to be acceptable. They are relentless and when given an inch they take a mile.
First it was the idea that they where not mentally ill, just the opposite side of the same phychologicaly correct coin. Then it was the dropping of sodomy and laws against public immorality. Now it is the forcing of not acceptance, but praising of their degeneracy through marital status and monetary benefits. It will soon be the elimination of consent laws to allow them unfettered access to prey upon the teen age and pre teen youth of society.
I believe that this is a losing rear guard action (No pun intended) by the BSA. One they are destined to lose because they where moral cowards at the time it was most important for them to hold to their principals to be morally straight.
This Cannon Lawyer is wrong in his analysis.
You don’t breed homosexuals....you pursue youths and trap them...fill them with guilt and there’s no way out....and voila...chalk up another homo
Unfortunately, this is a very shallow analysis from someone professing to be a canon lawyer.
He fails to consider the consequences of allowing opnely homosexual boys in the scouts, namely:
a) courts ruling that the BSA cannot force members out when they turn 18, barring them from being leaders,
b) increased chance of homosexual members preying or recruiting younger boys,
c) scouts having to be taught that the homosexual lifestlye is acceptable and to be tolerated so that they don’t practice discrimination (and be open to lawsuits), etc.
Worthless.
I don’t like the way he parses sexual orientation as somehow separable from a person’s actions. . We cannot know whether a boy is homosexual unless he tell us by word or action that he is. The Church is is putting itself into an impossible position by linking it with the word discrimination. The Scouts have now made themselves an ally of the Homosexual lobby. The ban on adults will soon be overthrown because the camel has got its nose under the tent. My guess is that the Church is itself in much the same boat because we do have so many homosexual priests, so many we really wonder what to do about them.
There are practical reasons for excluding openly gay scouts. Scouting in practice is based on the “buddy system” where an often older scout is paired with a younger one. Are we going to pair up two kids, one of which is openly gay, with a younger child? Do you pair two gay boys together in the same tent? Anyone see the problems here?
Edward Peters can stick this silliness where the sun don't shine
BSA won’t uphold basic Judeo=Christian moral values anymore?
Best to move the kids, and donations, to other boys’ clubs that will
“Be not deceived: evil companions corrupt good morals.”
1 Cor. 15:33
The Boys Scouts just signed their death warrant as a viable organization. There is nowhere for it to go from here but down into a death spiral.
Surrender, surrender, but don’t give yourself away.
Yes, the BSA held out for awhile. Now they are just another sodomite-infected depraved organization. I will be sure not to support them in any way. They have just given new meaning to their motto “Be Prepared”
Legalistic arguments devoid from observations of what is actually going on on the ground. The fact is that starting January 1, 2014, homosexuals will be making the Scouts their territory, and I suspect filing multiple lawsuits immediately demanding “full inclusion.” Second, from a church’s perspective, it is not what may happen in individual troops, it is that the Scouts have endorsed behavior directly in opposition to the uniform teaching of the Bible and the Church. Third, by going along with this policy, you are enabling young men entering into the homosexual lifestyle, something that will have lifetime negative consequences for these young people that are just having their sexual identities formed. The psychological and physical harm caused by male homosexuality can be easily demonstrated, everything from higher rates of depression, suicide and mental illness to AIDS, meningitis and other sexually transmitted diseases.
As a close analogy, just because a lot of people are addicted to drugs does not mean the Scouts should not only not oppose addiction, but instead, say, oh it’s perfectly fine you’re addicted to meth and face a shortened lifespan and mental and physical health problems, we accept you and say that that behavior is not problem for the Scouts.
Where has he been? The ones who clamored that gay youth be allowed to join the BSA have been very clear that such a policy will not be enough. They will not stop until gay leaders are permitted as well.
He also forgets that many gays do believe it is discrimination if their sexual activity as well as orientation is not affirmed, tolerance is never enough. So be prepared for the BSA being told that letting gay youth join must be accompanied by policies that make sure that homosexual behavior is treated as being equal to heterosexual behavior. Telling them that the BSA is not about sex will be met with angry protests. Everything is about affirming their sexual choice. Any objections to such behavior will be viewed as discrimination. Especially religious based objections.
BSA has made itself obsolete with one incredibly stupid decision. I am the Charter Org Rep for my son's troop--I represent the Church to the Scouts. I'll be meeting with our pastor this week to discuss alternatives to Scouting.