Posted on 05/19/2013 12:21:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
Edited on 05/25/2013 2:44:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
"Where were You, God?" The question arises daily as news of tragedies abound, and even from time to time as the tragedy involves ourselves. Servicemen die in a bungled military defense operation that should have been a cake walk, and no government official has credible answers. A son is shot dead in his prime by a wanton criminal. A wife dies decades too soon from a deadly disease. A busy mother dies unexpectedly from a sudden heart attack. Maybe you were emotionally abused when a child and have been saddled with a destructive habit that you acquired in an effort to escape from the torment by the only means you knew, and prayer -- once you realized you were in a trap -- seemed scant help or comfort. In these myriad situations the bitter questions often arise: "Oh Lord, where were You? Dear God, why did You roll over for this? Almighty Father, I've always heard that you are righteous and omnipotent, so why did You not act when it would have been so simple for You to stop it from happening? Oh, the heart-rending woe! Why did You lose, God?"
This is not a modern question, and it was not discovered by modern atheists, agnostics, or freethinkers. It arose many thousands of years ago to a man named Job (pronounced with a long "o") who kept a tender conscience towards God about what he did, and as a result displayed a very upright life, and was blessed with a large, loving family and many earthly riches. And yet without warning this man's world came crashing down upon him. It began with the destruction and theft of his great riches, and was topped by the loss of most of the lives of his dear family. Then, the trouble soon escalated with an inexplicable illness that covered him with sores. His wife, in an apparent hint that God was fickle and undeserving of love, in great disgust told him to curse God and die. His friends, who initially wisely comforted him in silence, then began to lecture him sarcastically about how he must have done something terribly wrong to provoke God's wrath, and his agony grew as a heated argument erupted and Job insisted he had done nothing to deserve the tragedy. Finally a wiser friend suggested that Job look to God's sovereignty, and then God answered Job from a whirlwind, challenging the limitations of Job's knowledge about what God can do. With a deeper appreciation of God's capabilities, Job stopped complaining, and soon God blessed Job twice as much as he had been blessed before.
There is a simple enough answer to the question, at least to the mind: by allowing the world and even our selves to fail so dramatically at times, God highlights His capacity to save, a faith in which we sometimes are sorely lacking, and even if we know it in our heads, our hearts are slower and lag behind that and need to be taught. For God is not merely solving complex intellectual problems. He is solving problems that encompass our entire beings that He has created and bestowed with capabilities that are an image of His own.
Yehova is the name of God.
It is the name he ascribes to himself over 1600 times in the Hebrew OT scriptures. Whever you see the word “LORD” in English, it replaces the name Yehova in the original scriptures.
He says that we must call out to him by name if we seek his blessings.
Same here... raised Roman Catholic, but did not come to a knowledge of Christ and His saving grace until I was 17.
No, it does not say that in this case. Only in the case of a betrothed women was it a capital crime.
That means it's not rape that's being punished, it's sex. She might escape the penalty if she can prove he forced her, but it won't change the nature of his crime or his punishment.
You are assuming that there was no extension of jurisprudence based upon these laws, which mistake is typical for those seeking to denigrate them, but it is erroneous, as would be the idea that our own jurisprudence is not an extension of the Constitution, etc. And many in fact Biblical laws influence many .
The problem of determining whether one is guilty of rape of consensual relations is one that can be difficult today. In the Bible the question was could she and then did she call for help. Today we have 911 and DNA, while in Scripture 2 or 3 eye witnesses were required for capital crimes, with false witnesses receiving the penalty with their laying innocent upon the innocent. That aspect would help today.
Actually youre wrong.I dont believe in works at all.Im a sinful man with a sinful nature and all my works are as filthy blood soaked rags.Nothing I can ever do will make a speck of differance.Its my Faith that Jesus did it all is my only hope.
Doesnt change the fact that I argue with God,Question what I see as inconsistancies in His word,and point out foolishness on the part of man and church.God accepts and desires people to question and argue with Him.If you dont believe that I can point to many referances in the Bible to prove it.
I agree with lady perfect in many ways here today,especially where she points out if you dont feel Gods love in youre life too many people blame the person.When they do that they are no better than Jobs advisors.
Alright so you are a puzzle. You’re like a cat that says it’s white but you are half black. I won’t bother arguing. I wish you well if this is the actual Jesus — explanations are secondary, relationships with God primary. Otherwise I have to warn you. Have a good night.
Just a few reminders:
John 14:15 “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”
Matthew 7
“1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.”
Pieter,I think you are of the crowd that believes that women should be silen in church,and never be preachers?
I believe God and Jesus many times broke that rule.
Setting up female judges to rule over Isreal.Setting up female Prophetesses to preach and declare the coming of salvation.Sending the woman married seven times to preach to her town,and sending Mary Magdelene to preach the Gospel “He Is Risen!” to the disciples themselves.
If God and Jesus can use women to preach His word,who are we to set rules saying they cant?Or is it just youre tradition speaking?
The Lord Jesus and the Bible appeals to reason, thus do i.
As we see Jesus often honoring rich Abraham as an example of a real believer, (Jn. 8:39,56, etc.) while reproving riches in the context of false security, and the rest of Scripture shows that forsaking all does not necessarily mean literally, while condemning indolence and not working if able, then it is reasonable to assume that your charges are based upon ignorance and selective but not objective "proof texting ," or you believe Scripture actually contradicts itself.
We collectively kicked God out of our lives, our communities, our government and our country.
If she is betrothed to someone else and she has sex willingly, what happens to her?
Did the ones before these 12 cause you to question lower powers?
Yes, He did. You must have missed that part.
Indeed, there is right way of doing things, that is part of life, but unlike the "lucky chance" that science requires for creation without a Creator, the "right way" of salvation is quite simple, as it is more of a matter of the heart than requiring much of the head.
"18 The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit." (Psalms 34:18)
"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. " (Matthew 18:3)
But when you are raised under a form of religion, such as largely perfunctory professions or misguided zeal for a church, and see no transformative reality, then it can act like an inoculation that breeds cynicism against the possibility that the claims of Christ (which the dead church makes of none effect) are real.
Meanwhile, there are abundant testimonies present (you can watch a few here tonight) and past that testify to the transformative reality of the Lord Jesus, including more hymns about this kind of personal relationship than any faith, and that are an effect that corresponds to the words of the object of their faith.
I have not read much past 100, but God willing maybe tomorrow, suffice to say that unlearned “wresting” (2Pt. 3:18) of Scripture is often at work. Have a god night.
Perfect Lady,If a woman were caught willinly having sex with someone who wasnt her husband she was killed.That was Gods rule.However an interesting contradiction is that it wasnt Jesus rule.Jesus forhave her and set her free,,but Jesus was God,,,So there lies the contradiction.
Preach it brother!
God forgave David for that little plot to off Uriah. He could have easily sent a priest with a sword. As it turned out David did suffer, but didn’t die for it.
Carrying this over to what governments in gentile society ought to do is an area that the bible does not touch on very much. My read for what it is worth is that capital punishment is permissible and expected to be normative for certain crimes, but not an absolute in-every-case requirement. Others differ and this gets into gnatty areas that are beyond my scope. The country would do well to have a mass remembering of God and that would weigh almost infinitely more than details of civil discipline.
The Jesus loophole is an invention that reflects the changing times.
If it were simple, no Bible study would be required.
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