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Pope: Shame is a true Christian virtue
Radio Vaticana ^ | 4/29/2013

Posted on 04/29/2013 4:18:02 AM PDT by markomalley

The Confessional is not a ‘dry cleaners’ where our sins are automatically washed away and Jesus is not waiting there to ‘beat us up’, but to forgive us with the tenderness of a father for our sins. Moreover, being ashamed of our sins is not only natural, it’s a virtue that helps prepare us for God's forgiveness. This was the central message of Pope Francis’ homily Monday morning during Mass celebrated with staff from the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See (APSA) and religious present in Casa Santa Marta. Emer McCarthy reports:

Commenting on the First Letter of St. John, which states " God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all," Francis Pope pointed out that "we all have darkness in our lives," moments "where everything, even our consciousness, is in the dark”, but this - he pointed out - does not mean we walk in darkness:

"Walking in darkness means being overly pleased with ourselves, believing that we do not need salvation. That is darkness! When we continue on this road of darkness, it is not easy to turn back. Therefore, John continues, because this way of thinking made him reflect: 'If we say we are without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us'. Look to your sins, to our sins, we are all sinners, all of us ... This is the starting point. But if we confess our sins, He is faithful, He is so just He forgives us our sins, cleansing us from all unrighteousness…The Lord who is so good, so faithful, so just that He forgives. "

"When the Lord forgives us, He does justice" - continued the Pope - first to himself, "because He came to save and forgive", welcoming us with the tenderness of a Father for his children: "The Lord is tender towards those who fear, to those who come to Him "and with tenderness," He always understand us”. He wants to gift us the peace that only He gives. " "This is what happens in the Sacrament of Reconciliation" even though "many times we think that going to confession is like going to the dry cleaner" to clean the dirt from our clothes:

"But Jesus in the confessional is not a dry cleaner: it is an encounter with Jesus, but with this Jesus who waits for us, who waits for us just as we are. “But, Lord, look ... this is how I am”, we are often ashamed to tell the truth: 'I did this, I thought this'. But shame is a true Christian virtue, and even human ... the ability to be ashamed: I do not know if there is a similar saying in Italian, but in our country to those who are never ashamed are called “sin vergüenza’: this means ‘the unashamed ', because they are people who do not have the ability to be ashamed and to be ashamed is a virtue of the humble, of the man and the woman who are humble. "

Pope Francis continued: “ we must have trust, because when we sin we have an advocate with the Father, "Jesus Christ the righteous." And He "supports us before the Father" and defends us in front of our weaknesses. But you need to stand in front of the Lord "with our truth of sinners", "with confidence, even with joy, without masquerading... We must never masquerade before God." And shame is a virtue: "blessed shame." "This is the virtue that Jesus asks of us: humility and meekness".

"Humility and meekness are like the frame of a Christian life. A Christian must always be so, humble and meek. And Jesus waits for us to forgive us. We can ask Him a question: Is going to confession like to a torture session? No! It is going to praise God, because I, a sinner , have been saved by Him. And is He waiting for me to beat me? No, with tenderness to forgive me. And if tomorrow I do the same? Go again, and go and go and go .... He always waits for us. This tenderness of the Lord, this humility, this meekness .... "

This confidence, concluded Pope Francis "gives us room to breathe." "The Lord give us this grace, the courage to always go to Him with the truth, because the truth is light and not the darkness of half-truths or lies before God. It give us this grace! So be it. "


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To: Syncro
Do you have a response to what the poster posted?

Sure...

Another question!

81 posted on 04/29/2013 4:04:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: married21
Also, I didn’t mean to sound like people with “issues” with the Church don’t have some good reasons, or that I assume their issues were one-sided, with the Church being always blameless.

If the church has been 'catholic' from day one; then I can only assume the 'blameless' church did not include the 7 mentioned at the start of the Book of Revelation.

82 posted on 04/29/2013 4:07:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
It was with the contention that future sins were forgiven without confession or repentance in contradiction to Scripture.

But...

Ain't that what PURGATORY is for?

83 posted on 04/29/2013 4:09:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: illinidiva

How can a blameless church be run by imperfect men?


84 posted on 04/29/2013 4:10:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

"Faith without works is dead."

There's a reason why Luther originally deleted the Book of James from his version of the Bible.

85 posted on 04/29/2013 4:10:54 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

So Jesus; when asked a DIRECT question; has His words trumped by James?


86 posted on 04/29/2013 4:12:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
The Bible is God's Word, isn't it?

God's Word is One. God cannot contradict Himself.

Besides, does faith without works make sense to you?

The demons have no works, but they believe. "The demons also believe --and shudder."

87 posted on 04/29/2013 4:19:46 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Elsie
"So Jesus; when asked a DIRECT question; has His words trumped by James?"

Hopefully, we can agree that the Book of James is inerrant and that the words of Martin Luther were not.

That said, James does not contradict Jesus. Faith, not manifest in and accompanied by works as described in the Beatitudes is indeed dead.

Peace be to you.

88 posted on 04/29/2013 4:30:11 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave is a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: boatbums
James 5:16 says "confess your sins to one another".

John 20:23 has Jesus telling the Apostles, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you hold them bound, they are held bound." That verse only makes sense in the context of an actual confession of sin to officers of the church. How can they know what to forgive without being told?

Why would you think that the same John had forgotten that verse -- which he wrote! -- when he wrote his Epistle? That is the context in which to understand "If we confess our sins ..."

89 posted on 04/29/2013 5:29:00 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Natural Law
<>That said, James does not contradict Jesus.

What is it about the word MUST is foreign to you guys?

Jesus answered and did NOT mention any works.

90 posted on 04/29/2013 5:30:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
He was also talking to Jews, not Christians, and was explaining to them that they can't work their way into heaven, but must be saved by Him, through faith.

Which is exactly what the Catholic church teaches.

91 posted on 04/29/2013 5:36:36 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Elsie

LOL!


92 posted on 04/29/2013 5:36:45 PM PDT by Syncro ("So?")
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To: Elsie

You actually could to be perfectly honest. No one would stop you. However, as a guest, I’d hope that you’d be respectful of others’ traditions. Similar to how men should cover their heads when entering a synagogue.


93 posted on 04/29/2013 5:49:00 PM PDT by illinidiva
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To: Elsie

The Church isn’t blameless. Boy is it not blameless. I see the Catholic Church as one way for people to become close to God. I don’t see it as any better or worse from any other way. It has spent 40 or so years alienating itself from people. So I salute Papa Bergoglio on his work cleaning up this mess.

I like certain aspects of the Church. For instance, I am a big fan of the saints. And no Catholics don’t pray to them. They are guides to help us out. There was a good book I read called My Life with the Saints that really helped me through a rough time with my life four or o years back. However, the saints are all dead and living Catholics fail to provide the same inspiration. I do like Papa Bergoglio. However, I think his fixation on confession is weird; he is a holy man and doesn’t have to worry about going to heaven.

When I was growing up, confession was punishment and was emphasized as such. It was basically a time out where the priests (who were all cold and crabby) got to basically say that you were a miserable failure. In fact the nuns used to threaten children with confession to keep them in line.


94 posted on 04/29/2013 5:52:23 PM PDT by illinidiva
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To: Elsie
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, Confession

The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, Contrition
The Baltimore Catechism: Part Three: The Sacraments and Prayer, Penance

95 posted on 04/29/2013 6:17:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Natural Law; Elsie
That said, James does not contradict Jesus. Faith, not manifest in and accompanied by works as described in the Beatitudes is indeed dead.

And what in your view does "dead" mean? We know that James doesn't contradict Jesus nor any other passages of Scripture so they must be reconciled, right? What Luther taught, and what all the Reformers taught, as DID the early church fathers, is that we are saved by the grace of God THROUGH faith apart from our works. In other words, it is solely through Christ and his sacrifice in our place that our sin debt has been paid - because only by death (the shedding of blood) comes atonement for the soul. But the marvelous thing about this grace is that we are born again as children of God when we believe and the Holy Spirit indwells us creating a NEW spirit nature within us. It is this new nature - ordained by God unto good works - that demonstrates it is genuine. Someone who says he has faith, as James said, but who does not exhibit that faith in good works and a changed heart, instead shows a faith that is dead - unproductive, unfruitful, not a living faith. But it by no means says good works are what saves us. It can't, because then it WOULD contradict Jesus as well as hundreds of other verses in Scripture such as "And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness." (Romans 4:5)

That is what James was talking about and what Luther came to understand which is why he DID reconcile the book of James as Scripture. He had had the incorrect interpretation that Catholicism taught him and which many STILL teach including other false denominations who preach an accursed Gospel. Properly understood, it is faith that saves us and it is a faith that manifests in and is accompanied by good works because it can't help but do so.

96 posted on 04/29/2013 6:24:54 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: caww
>>That is one very sad comment.<<

Wow! No kidding. How sad they know so little of the truth of what God through scripture says. Relying on the word of carnal man rather than God’s word. Just wow!

97 posted on 04/29/2013 6:31:08 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

I know...I was pretty astounded when I read it...which again we can say Christianity is all about “a relationship”...and that means trust, faith, love, hope, and the certainty of whom we have believed in, and some will never understand that God is big enough to reach down and confirm all that He is and says about Himself....His Spirit does that very well...indeed!


98 posted on 04/29/2013 6:36:59 PM PDT by caww
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To: CynicalBear

The fact that God doesn’t hear or forgive you is an unchristian message.


99 posted on 04/29/2013 6:53:01 PM PDT by illinidiva
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To: Syncro
"So did Jesus die on the cross with all of the sins of the world upon Him?"

I am not going to endorse TULIP either directly or indirectly so I firmly reject the concepts of irresistible grace and unconditional election implied by that statement. There is, however, considerable nuance in the Catholic teaching on this. Without a careful choice of words confusion and error will arise.

Jesus atoned for or expiated all of the sins of the world, however His was not a vicarious punishment for our sins. He paid the price for all sins, yet all are not saved. Neither was His death a propitiation to an angry god.

Peace and blessings

100 posted on 04/29/2013 7:06:01 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave is a book, He left us a Church.)
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