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Pope: Shame is a true Christian virtue
Radio Vaticana ^ | 4/29/2013

Posted on 04/29/2013 4:18:02 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: metmom

Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamon, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea: all CATHOLIC churches.


221 posted on 05/02/2013 7:10:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
Just a P.S. to my last post, some words of wisdom - the Godly kind - from St. Paul in I Corinthians 2:

And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling. My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.

We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written:

    “What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived” — the things God has prepared for those who love him—


these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, for,

    “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?”


But we have the mind of Christ.

223 posted on 05/02/2013 10:01:28 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God.



224 posted on 05/03/2013 6:13:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
By their fruit you will know them.

In context is referring to FALSE PROPHETS.

So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. --Mat 7:17

225 posted on 05/03/2013 8:15:51 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: illinidiva

you mean Sacrament of Repentance, right? What “reconciliation” are you talking about? A real Catholic would know the difference.


226 posted on 05/03/2013 11:21:36 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: illinidiva; Salvation; Coleus
I have a hard time believing that righteous people of other religions aren’t forgiven their sins because they don’t celebrate what is solely a Catholic sacrament and is centered on Catholicism weird desire for public shame.

if you were Catholic, you'd know it isn't "public shame", rather a private confession, not be revealed.

also, it's not just a Catholic sacrament -- the Orthodox have it as well and many Lutherans have the same sacrament.

227 posted on 05/03/2013 11:24:56 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Elsie

Yeah, He isn’t too happy with them, is He?


228 posted on 05/04/2013 4:40:45 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: markomalley
"But shame is a true Christian virtue, and even human ... the ability to be ashamed: I do not know if there is a similar saying in Italian, but in our country to those who are never ashamed are called “sin vergüenza’: this means ‘the unashamed ', because they are people who do not have the ability to be ashamed and to be ashamed is a virtue of the humble, of the man and the woman who are humble. "

Invariably such people are political leftists , whose self-righteousness erases any possible shame over bad behavior. Michael Moore feels no shame over not paying union wages to his employees because HE CARES ABOUT THE WORKING MAN, DAMMIT! Sean Penn can slap his wife around because HE'S A FIERCE ADVOCATE FOR THE UNDERPRIVILEGED, DAMMIT! It explains why Democrats in power like Clinton and Obama are so shamelessly narcissistic. Guilt and shame are for the unanointed.

229 posted on 05/04/2013 5:02:51 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
CONTEXT..........

A Tree and Its Fruit

15“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.16“You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?17“So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.18“A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.19“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.20“So then, you will know them by their fruits.


CONTEXT: it's our FRIEND!

230 posted on 05/04/2013 6:56:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cvengr
Yeah, He isn’t too happy with them, is He?

Does sound that way - don't it!

But I'm a mere PROTESTant; reading the words on the page.

I'm sure what they REALLY means can only be delivered to me by the CHURCH's teaching.

231 posted on 05/04/2013 6:59:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos

We also call it reconciliation in my part of the country. Maybe it’s a regional thing.


232 posted on 05/04/2013 7:03:35 AM PDT by DadofMany1
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To: boatbums

God worked.

Christ worked.

What’s wrong with work?

What’s wrong if you work for your faith?

Faith and works. Faith and works. Faith and works.


233 posted on 05/04/2013 7:32:10 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Cronos

Oh... I learned about the Sacrament of Reconciliation in Catholic grammar school. That is what it is called now. I remember it because it is a big word for an eight year old to have to spell.


234 posted on 05/04/2013 8:38:16 AM PDT by illinidiva
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To: Cronos

Ummm.. Then why do you have to confess your sins to a priest?? Yes, I know that it is not supposed to be punishment but it sure seems like punishment. When I was in Catholic grade school, it was treated as such. Bad little children were threatened with having to go to extra Confessions.

And Greek Orthodox and some Lutherans incorporates a small group outside the Catholic Church. The example that I’ll use is a victim of the Shoah. It is impossible for me to imagine God not granting salvation to a twelve year old who died in the gas chambers because he or she didn’t receive Catholic absolution.


235 posted on 05/04/2013 8:39:08 AM PDT by illinidiva
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To: Salvation

Not a thing wrong with good works! EXCEPT...when you presume you can do enough of them to merit the GIFT of God which is eternal life. When your kids give you a present, do you have to pay for it? Would it BE a gift then?


236 posted on 05/04/2013 8:57:18 AM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Natural Law; metmom
So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.

This is bad fruit...man made teachings. And Isaiah, the good prophet, and Jesus, Himself, has told and warned you. Continuing in it only will show who catholics and all those who are under man made teachings - who they choose to serve knowingly. These Scriptures have been posted many times.

"These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught. Isaiah 29:13

You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: "'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'" Matt 15:7-9

237 posted on 05/04/2013 9:26:47 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Salvation
"What’s wrong if you work for your faith?"

Faith is an act of the intellect assenting to a truth which is beyond its grasp and is therefore itself an act of the will and a work. If faith is genuine it will be demonstrated in Spiritual and Corporeal Works of Mercy.

Peace be with you

238 posted on 05/04/2013 9:37:29 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave is a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law

That’s why I repeated “Faith AND works.”


239 posted on 05/04/2013 9:39:30 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: presently no screen name
"man made teachings."

That Catholicism is a "man made teaching" is itself a man made teaching and a work of false prophets. Work out your own Salvation with fear and trembling. The Salvation of others will be by the Holy Spirit and not by any quiz administered and graded by members of fringe Protestant sects on the internet.

Peace be with you

240 posted on 05/04/2013 9:49:55 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave is a book, He left us a Church.)
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