Posted on 04/28/2013 8:56:28 AM PDT by markomalley
When anti-Catholic ecumenical atrocities take place, Catholic bishops should act.
Here is an example which calls for consequences.
From WTAX in Kentucky:
Kentucky woman ordained as priest in defiance of Roman Catholic Church [Note either the carelessness or the bias? She was not ordained as anything.]
By Mary Wisniewski
LOUISVILLE, Kentucky (Reuters) – In an emotional ceremony filled with tears and applause, a 70-year-old Kentucky woman was ordained a priest [No. She went through a fake ceremony.] on Saturday as part of a dissident group operating outside of official Roman Catholic Church authority. [Liberals often use the word
When anti-Catholic ecumenical atrocities take place, Catholic bishops should act.
Here is an example which calls for consequences.
From WTAX in Kentucky:
Kentucky woman ordained as priest in defiance of Roman Catholic Church [Note either the carelessness or the bias? She was not ordained as anything.]
By Mary Wisniewski
LOUISVILLE, Kentucky (Reuters) – In an emotional ceremony filled with tears and applause, a 70-year-old Kentucky woman was ordained a priest [No. She went through a fake ceremony.] on Saturday as part of a dissident group operating outside of official Roman Catholic Church authority. [Liberals often use the word "official" as code. Watch for code.]
Rosemarie Smead is one of about 150 women around the world who have decided not to wait for the Roman Catholic Church to lift its ban on women priests, but to be ordained and start their own congregations.
In an interview before the ceremony, Smead said she is not worried about being excommunicated from the Church – the fate of other women ordained outside of Vatican law.
“It has no sting for me,” said Smead, a petite, gray-haired former Carmelite nun with a ready hug for strangers. [What slop.] “It is a Medieval bullying stick the bishops used to keep control over people and to keep the voices of women silent. I am way beyond letting octogenarian men tell us how to live our lives.” [Wayyyy beyond.]
The ordination of women as priests, along with the issues of married priests and birth control, represents one of the big divides between U.S. Catholics and the Vatican hierarchy. [And it is the writer's objective to widen the divide. Note also how the "issues" are not easily related.] Seventy percent of U.S. Catholics believe that women should be allowed to be priests, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll earlier this year.
The former pope, Benedict XVI, reaffirmed the Catholic Church’s ban on women priests ["ban on women priests" requires the premise that there is such a thing as a woman priest. There isn't.] and warned that he would not tolerate disobedience by clerics on fundamental teachings. Male priests have been stripped of their holy orders [No. That's impossible. Holy Orders confer an indelible mark on the soul that can't be "stripped". They have been "stripped" of permission to function as a priest.] for participating in ordination ceremonies for women.
In a statement last week, Louisville Archbishop Joseph E. Kurtz called the planned ceremony by the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests a “simulated ordination” in opposition to Catholic teaching.
“The simulation of a sacrament carries very serious penal sanctions in Church law, and Catholics should not support or participate in Saturday’s event,” Kurtz said.
The Catholic Church teaches that it has no authority to allow women to be priests because Jesus Christ chose only men as his apostles. Proponents of a female priesthood said Jesus was acting only according to the customs of his time.
They also note that he chose women, like Mary Magdalene, as disciples, and that the early Church had women priests, deacons and bishops. [Which is not true.]
[HERE, folks, is a big problem....] The ceremony, held at St. Andrew United Church of Christ in Louisville, was attended by about 200 men and women. Many identified themselves to a Reuters reporter as Catholics, but some declined to give their names or their churches.
[...]
The rest of the piece is rubbish.
Here’s the bottom line. Antics like this should have consequences for ecumenical dialogue.
The women’s ordination thing is silliness. It is a circus.
A Protestant church hosted the circus. They gave the Catholic Church the finger.
There should be consequences.
We either take ecumenism seriously or we don’t. If we do – and I believe we must – we have to react strongly when ecumenical ideals are so grossly violated by Protestants who invite or permit these “women priest” ceremonies in their churches.
The most sacred rites of the Catholic Church are Holy Mass and ordination to Holy Orders.
They effectively trampled rites that we Catholics hold as sacred.
These silly Catholic women-priest supporters are committing sacrilege in simulating Mass and Orders.
However, the Protestants who host them are assisting in a mockery of our Holy Mass and a mockery of our priesthood.
For a long time progressivist Catholics were staging Jewish sedar meals in their churches. Some Jews were angered by this. We got the message from the Jews and stopped doing what was offensive to them.
By allowing this group of fakers into their churches, those Protestants accepted the premise that what those women play at is actually a Catholic ordination and a Mass.
How dare PROTESTANTS decide what a Catholic Mass is?
And if they respond, “Gee, we mean no disrespect. We are just giving space to this group”, then what they are doing is aiding a protest against the Catholic Church.
There is no way around this.
Protestants who give these fakers aid are either on their side, and thus support their claim that what they are doing really is an ordination and Mass, or in claiming not to be taking sides they are still giving support to an anti-Catholic protest.
Bishops have to take action when offensive, anti-Catholic things like this take place.
Upon hearing the news that this ceremony is going to take place (or has taken place), the local Catholic bishop must call the pastor of that Protestant parish and say, “I’m the Catholic Bishop. Do not allow this sacrilege to be committed in your church. You wouldn’t do this for a group of dissident Jews wanting to ordain rabbis, but we are Catholics so you don’t care what offense you give us. Until an apology is issued, don’t look for us to dialogue with you again.”
Then that Catholic bishop should call the head of the denomination and convey the same message.
Then that Catholic Bishop should an informative note to the USCCB’s ecumenical office, to the CDF and to the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity to let them know the facts of the sacrileges that took place and who helped them.
Then that Catholic bishop should call the press and give them his view about the offense the Protestants gave and the damage they inflicted on ecumenical dialogue.
True ecumenism does not consist in lying down and letting some other church kick you and define what Mass is for you, or say who can be ordained, or stick their “F-You” finger in your face by hosting these sacrilegious fakers."official" as code. Watch for code.]
Rosemarie Smead is one of about 150 women around the world who have decided not to wait for the Roman Catholic Church to lift its ban on women priests, but to be ordained and start their own congregations.
In an interview before the ceremony, Smead said she is not worried about being excommunicated from the Church – the fate of other women ordained outside of Vatican law.
“It has no sting for me,” said Smead, a petite, gray-haired former Carmelite nun with a ready hug for strangers. [What slop.] “It is a Medieval bullying stick the bishops used to keep control over people and to keep the voices of women silent. I am way beyond letting octogenarian men tell us how to live our lives.” [Wayyyy beyond.]
The ordination of women as priests, along with the issues of married priests and birth control, represents one of the big divides between U.S. Catholics and the Vatican hierarchy. [And it is the writer's objective to widen the divide. Note also how the "issues" are not easily related.] Seventy percent of U.S. Catholics believe that women should be allowed to be priests, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll earlier this year.
The former pope, Benedict XVI, reaffirmed the Catholic Church’s ban on women priests ["ban on women priests" requires the premise that there is such a thing as a woman priest. There isn't.] and warned that he would not tolerate disobedience by clerics on fundamental teachings. Male priests have been stripped of their holy orders [No. That's impossible. Holy Orders confer an indelible mark on the soul that can't be "stripped". They have been "stripped" of permission to function as a priest.] for participating in ordination ceremonies for women.
In a statement last week, Louisville Archbishop Joseph E. Kurtz called the planned ceremony by the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests a “simulated ordination” in opposition to Catholic teaching.
“The simulation of a sacrament carries very serious penal sanctions in Church law, and Catholics should not support or participate in Saturday’s event,” Kurtz said.
The Catholic Church teaches that it has no authority to allow women to be priests because Jesus Christ chose only men as his apostles. Proponents of a female priesthood said Jesus was acting only according to the customs of his time.
They also note that he chose women, like Mary Magdalene, as disciples, and that the early Church had women priests, deacons and bishops. [Which is not true.]
[HERE, folks, is a big problem....] The ceremony, held at St. Andrew United Church of Christ in Louisville, was attended by about 200 men and women. Many identified themselves to a Reuters reporter as Catholics, but some declined to give their names or their churches.
[...]
The rest of the piece is rubbish.
Here’s the bottom line. Antics like this should have consequences for ecumenical dialogue.
The women’s ordination thing is silliness. It is a circus.
A Protestant church hosted the circus. They gave the Catholic Church the finger.
There should be consequences.
We either take ecumenism seriously or we don’t. If we do – and I believe we must – we have to react strongly when ecumenical ideals are so grossly violated by Protestants who invite or permit these “women priest” ceremonies in their churches.
The most sacred rites of the Catholic Church are Holy Mass and ordination to Holy Orders.
They effectively trampled rites that we Catholics hold as sacred.
These silly Catholic women-priest supporters are committing sacrilege in simulating Mass and Orders.
However, the Protestants who host them are assisting in a mockery of our Holy Mass and a mockery of our priesthood.
For a long time progressivist Catholics were staging Jewish sedar meals in their churches. Some Jews were angered by this. We got the message from the Jews and stopped doing what was offensive to them.
By allowing this group of fakers into their churches, those Protestants accepted the premise that what those women play at is actually a Catholic ordination and a Mass.
How dare PROTESTANTS decide what a Catholic Mass is?
And if they respond, “Gee, we mean no disrespect. We are just giving space to this group”, then what they are doing is aiding a protest against the Catholic Church.
There is no way around this.
Protestants who give these fakers aid are either on their side, and thus support their claim that what they are doing really is an ordination and Mass, or in claiming not to be taking sides they are still giving support to an anti-Catholic protest.
Bishops have to take action when offensive, anti-Catholic things like this take place.
Upon hearing the news that this ceremony is going to take place (or has taken place), the local Catholic bishop must call the pastor of that Protestant parish and say, “I’m the Catholic Bishop. Do not allow this sacrilege to be committed in your church. You wouldn’t do this for a group of dissident Jews wanting to ordain rabbis, but we are Catholics so you don’t care what offense you give us. Until an apology is issued, don’t look for us to dialogue with you again.”
Then that Catholic bishop should call the head of the denomination and convey the same message.
Then that Catholic Bishop should an informative note to the USCCB’s ecumenical office, to the CDF and to the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity to let them know the facts of the sacrileges that took place and who helped them.
Then that Catholic bishop should call the press and give them his view about the offense the Protestants gave and the damage they inflicted on ecumenical dialogue.
True ecumenism does not consist in lying down and letting some other church kick you and define what Mass is for you, or say who can be ordained, or stick their “F-You” finger in your face by hosting these sacrilegious fakers.
It’s imposssible to convince people of error when they “Believe” otherwise, and this regardless of the truth that’s clearly before them. Their inner pride will not let them and only when that is addressed, for what it is, they cannot see.
To admit these errors generally means similar to when a Muslim turns away from Islam because it’s wrong. Years of indoctrination, rites, rituals, and a sense of belonging to a group all come into conflict...and that would be too heartbreaking to face...easier to go with the statis quo. Imo.
It doesn’t matter what’s in his heart. The commandment is to not bow down to them. Outward actions can be easily determined as EVERYONE can see them. The command is to not bow down. The pope is bowing down.
Therefore he is breaking the second commandment.
The Catholic Bible is the only one who uses different words and I do realize that they’d need to to avoid looking like they’re doing what is patently obvious to anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension. Small wonder the Catholic church changed the wording. It’s less indicting.
Here’s a link to the verse where you can look it up in the Hebrew.
http://bible.cc/exodus/20-5.htm
OK, burning candles to them.
I’ve seen that.
JPII was the *Mary, I’m all yours* pope, IIRC.
People can know what’s in his heart if he says it out loud or writes it down, now can’t they?
This is in the heart of at least one of your popes, and it’s idolatry, plain and simple.
Prayer of Pope Pius XII
In Honor of the Immaculate Conception
http://catholicism.about.com/od/tothevirginmary/qt/Honor_Immacula.htm
Prayer of Pope Pius XII
Enraptured by the splendor of your heavenly beauty, and impelled by the anxieties of the world, we cast ourselves into your arms, O Immaculate Mother of Jesus and our Mother, Mary, confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.
Though degraded by our faults and overwhelmed by infinite misery, we admire and praise the peerless richness of sublime gifts with which God has filled you, above every other mere creature, from the first moment of your conception until the day on which, after your assumption into heaven, He crowned you Queen of the Universe.
O crystal fountain of faith, bathe our minds with the eternal truths! O fragrant Lily of all holiness, captivate our hearts with your heavenly perfume! O Conqueress of evil and death, inspire in us a deep horror of sin, which makes the soul detestable to God and a slave of hell!
O well-beloved of God, hear the ardent cry which rises up from every heart. Bend tenderly over our aching wounds. Convert the wicked, dry the tears of the afflicted and oppressed, comfort the poor and humble, quench hatreds, sweeten harshness, safeguard the flower of purity in youth, protect the holy Church, make all men feel the attraction of Christian goodness. In your name, resounding harmoniously in heaven, may they recognize that they are brothers, and that the nations are members of one family, upon which may there shine forth the sun of a universal and sincere peace.
Receive, O most sweet Mother, our humble supplications, and above all obtain for us that, one day, happy with you, we may repeat before your throne that hymn which today is sung on earth around your altars: You are all-beautiful, O Mary! You are the glory, you are the joy, you are the honor of our people! Amen.
Easier until it drags them down into hell cause their pride wouldn't let them admit that they've been wrong all those years.
I've become convinced that a great deal of the anguish in hell, the torment, is not so much physical pain as mental and spiritual. Being consumed with regret at all the missed chances when they were told the truth and had an opportunity to turn and believe.
Well, they can't say they weren't warned.
Preaching is one thing — to that, all are called, woman, man or child. But the elders (presbyter = priest) were always men from Christ’s time. We cannot change what Christ ordained.
I'm sure you too would not call the UCC a potential ally of ours, right?
The article should have lashed out specifically at the UCC.
Yet Gamecock, that very term "Protestant" should not be used at all, whether by Catholic or by non-Catholic
The definition of "True Protestant" is vague -- after all, if we keep it to those who came out of the Reformation like Calvinists, then metmom's religion is not "true Protestantism" as it rejects the belief in predestination.
I agree that this article shouldn't blame "Protestants", but specifically the UCC and more the ex-nun and her coterie, but I disagree with your concept of "true Protestant" -- it's too vague. Better a "true Calvinist" which is a specific doctrine or a true unitarian or whatever for met
by faith alone — there are Unitarians, Swedenborgians, even some Evangelicals (can’t remember which off hand, but some freepers belong to these and pointed it out) which refute that.
Here, here. I vote all of us, Catholics or non-Catholics stop using the term "protestant" -- it is too much of an umbrella term and includes religions that have next to nothing in common.
Actually, many of the non-Catholic freepers who call themselves under the "P" umbrella term won't subscribe to this -- you have Old Reggie with unitarianism, cyc with Jehovah's Witnesses, then the various Pentecostals who would have a bit of dispute with A
Finally, everyone agrees that Yehovah, i.e. God the Father has no mother.
you mean the words that talk about the rapture?
i'm sorry but your point disagrees with Lutheran concept of the priesthood. Are they not "true Protestants" in your eyes?
I don't know if CB's beliefs are in that bucket -- are they? CB: "The beginning of the pagan Easter observance began with Semiramis and her son Tamuz you know.
Tamuz was killed by a wild hog you know. That’s why Semiramis dictated that the preserved meat of a hog should be consumed each spring equinox. Interesting isn’t it? Ever have the traditional ham on Easter?"
trying to link Christmas and Christ with Tammuz is incorrect
Tammuz, the Sumerian deity was forgotten before the Neo-Babylonian empire collapsed. And the feast was:
1. celebrated according the old Sumerian calendar which does not gel with ours (you can compare a lunar based with a solar base but the days change each year) and
2. in general a summer feast.
3. Dec 21 would be the death of Tammuz with the winter solstice -- a time for mourning, not celebrating....
Do read up before shooting false facts all the time
Incredible, do you really want to say that Christianity is a continuation of Baal?
Btw, Baal wasn't the sun god of the ancient Semitic peoples.
And next don't bring up the story of Odin being nailed to a tree...
we have enough of anti-Christians nuts in Obama's admin without infiltration into FR
you of course do realize that this was written before Christ's birth, so has nothing to do with Christianity.
Or perhaps you don't?
Which side is this?
The one that believes in Christ's birth and sacrifice or the one that says Christ is a rehashing of Tammuz or Baal the sun god and who says that Christmas and Easter are pagan?
which side is this? the one that believe in "hell was created for the devil and his angels. But if God could look down the time tunnel and see what would happen, knowing Adam would fall, why would He do that as a loving God?" or the 'hell doesn't exist' crowd?
which side is this? the one that believes in the gap theory or the one that doesn't?
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