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Praying for the Dead Terrorist? No Wonder the Episcopal Curch is Dying
4/22/13 | Piperpilot

Posted on 04/22/2013 6:27:15 AM PDT by piperpilot

At my small Episcopal church yesterday, we prayed for all those "killed" in the "tragic" Boston Marathon bombing. That was bad enough--those people were murdered and it was anything but a tragedy. Then we had to pray for the dead terrorist--which I refused to do. How unbiblical can you get. The dead terrorist didn't repent before his death. His soul went straight to Hell. Praying for him is basically praying for evil if you ask me. We also prayed for the still living terrorist. I can see that--he's still alive and can repent. But we didn't pray for the Holy Spirit to change his mind. No, no, no. We prayed for the Holy Spirit to "change minds.". Most likely ours. This sort of thing is the Just more evidence of the moral equivalency and lack of Biblical truth that has infected the mainstream Protestant sects today. The most amazing thing though was that not a single parishioner thought there was anything wrong with this. I pointed this outntonseveral people and they all tried to explain it away so as not to create waves. So sad.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; ecusa; episcopal; episcopalchurch; prayer; terrorism
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To: piperpilot

Well if he’s dead, no amount of praying is going to help him.


21 posted on 04/22/2013 6:43:25 AM PDT by mountn man (ATTITUDE- The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It.)
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To: piperpilot

You just brought up an old memory of my childhood. During the Vietnam war, our family (I was a young girl) attended a Christmas service at the Episcopal church in which we were members. The minister asked us to bow our heads and pray for the “enemy”. My father gathered up our family and we walked out. (Never to return.)


22 posted on 04/22/2013 6:44:54 AM PDT by biss5577
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To: piperpilot

I wasn’t disagreeing with you.


23 posted on 04/22/2013 6:45:22 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in thee shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: piperpilot

Don’t feel bad. At my (now former) house or worship my wife and I had to sit through an attack on Mitch McConnell. We are now looking for a new house of worship.


24 posted on 04/22/2013 6:45:24 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: mountn man

“Well if he’s dead, no amount of praying is going to help him.”

I don’t know if it is about him as it is about us showing our ability to forgive.


25 posted on 04/22/2013 6:46:04 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: piperpilot

To be fair, in theory, just in dying moments he could have felt true sorrow for his actions. [I wouldn’t bet the farm on it though. I hope the minister said something like, “let us pray that what’s-his-face-was-really-sorry-for-being-a-terrorist-schmuck.”


26 posted on 04/22/2013 6:49:27 AM PDT by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: WILLIALAL

Then it would be much better to pray “Lord, help me deal with these feelings of hatred I have for these terrorists and others like them”.


27 posted on 04/22/2013 6:50:01 AM PDT by mountn man (ATTITUDE- The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It.)
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To: piperpilot

Just KUMBAYAH again! The definition of which is: naively optimistic views of the world and human nature.[


28 posted on 04/22/2013 6:50:23 AM PDT by golf lover (goingf)
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To: laweeks
The Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 5:44 says to "Love your enemies and Pray for those who persecute you". Sometimes love can be very tough, especially when intervention is needed. Praying can be tough, yet King David prayed imprecatory prayers in the Psalms requesting that the Lord take notice and that his enemies would stumble and fall.

This is so they would repent and turn to the Lord instead of following their wicked ways.

So, the kind of love here is a tough but firm love, and the prayers are not weak but also pointed.

For all of us have gone astray, each of us has turned away, but the Lord has laid the Iniquity of us all (believers) upon Him. And their was probably someone praying for us also, when we did not know the Love of Christ.

Blessings in Prayer.

SR

29 posted on 04/22/2013 6:52:11 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: PGR88

““‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. “”


That is clear as mud and why I find the bible incomprehensible.

Before all the “experts” and those who have the secret decoder ring pile on, I’m not saying I don’t believe, I do, but just find it impossible to figure out with inside out, upside down, hide the meaning sentence structure.

Six, because eggs don’t have bones is just as clear.

Its like reading a help manual written by Microsoft.


30 posted on 04/22/2013 6:54:50 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: piperpilot

It’s proper for a pastor, priest, etc. to encourage Christians to pray for the repentance of the living terrorist. It would also be proper to preach about the false religion called Islam, and the fact that its followers will be lost without Jesus Christ.


31 posted on 04/22/2013 6:56:59 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ( (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization))
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To: Wurlitzer

“That is clear as mud and why I find the bible incomprehensible”

My sympathies completely.


32 posted on 04/22/2013 6:59:14 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: Gamecock

“Not sure where Scripture teaches to pray for the dead anyway... “ Try this: http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/is-purgatory-a-catholic-invention-no-way


33 posted on 04/22/2013 7:00:52 AM PDT by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Agreed. You never hear a peep about Islam in this parish, other than that it’s incumbent on us to understand them. Actions speak louder than words. Where are all the Muslims decrying what these two did?


34 posted on 04/22/2013 7:02:42 AM PDT by piperpilot
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To: piperpilot

ZIP | April 22, 2013 9:41 am | 25 Comments
Boston Bomber: “Bible Is A Cheap Copy Of The Koran”…

http://weaselzippers.us/


35 posted on 04/22/2013 7:02:54 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Wurlitzer
That is clear as mud and why I find the bible incomprehensible.

Learning about God is not for a single reading of the book, but a lifetime effort of returning to scriptures and prayer.

36 posted on 04/22/2013 7:05:13 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: gemoftheocean

Doesn’t matter if he felt bad about it. If he didn’t believe Jesus was the savior, and he worshipped the false god Allah , he isn’t in heaven and no amount of prayer will help.


37 posted on 04/22/2013 7:20:35 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: piperpilot

At the “add your own prayers to these” part of the Mass each week, I pray for those mired in the evil of Islam, that they will be enlightened, that Obama will have God change his heart and that I become worthy of asking these favors. I added the living terrorist this Sunday.


38 posted on 04/22/2013 7:22:14 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Wurlitzer

Here are the 2 verses that simplify it: it is by faith alone ghagra you are saved. But faith without works is dead.
I find that pretty easy~peasy


39 posted on 04/22/2013 7:23:44 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: thackney

“Learning about God is not for a single reading of the book, but a lifetime effort of returning to scriptures and prayer.”


Agreed!

However, as someone who programs a lot I can tell you just like the Bible, reading MS help documents a hundred times will leave one just as confused.

Maybe someone like me with an IQ in the high 150s needs pictures.


40 posted on 04/22/2013 7:29:13 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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