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To: OneVike

Buchanan was just quoting Hillaire Belloc, who is worth reading. Did we begin to believe at the Reformation, or did we lose faith in the miraculous? The Reformation not only destroyed the unity of faith and ecclesiastical organization of the Christian peoples of Europe, as Belloc argues, but also sowed the seeds of modernism, which has proceeded down a slippery slope of rationalization for 500 years (including the socialism you mention), and has given rise to the endless division into sects and never-ending disputes among churches, and could not but lead to the complete unbelief which we see today as the religious corrosion continues. No, the magic of the medieval Church is not what it was, but only because our view of it is colored by the modern-Protestant world in which we now live, one in which the sacred and sacramental character of everyday life, attended by an expectation of the miraculous around every corner, is no longer self-evident, no longer part of our mentality. The world has become drab, colorless, faithless.


11 posted on 03/18/2013 8:31:58 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips; moder_ator
Thank you, here it is again,
No, the magic of the medieval Church is not what it was, but only because our view of it is colored by the modern-Protestant world in which we now live, one in which the sacred and sacramental character of everyday life, attended by an expectation of the miraculous around every corner, is no longer self-evident, no longer part of our mentality.

I think Not!

It is the Catholics in America that have helped usher in Socialism. The evangelicals overwhelmingly support and vote for Christian values.

Catholics on the other hand have always backed Socialists, Kings, and other tyrannical leaders who enslave the common man. There were those like, Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, who went against the grain, but most did not.

I get real tired of the way many Catholics seem to push historical revisionism when it comes to their Church. Sorry, but the history of the Catholic church has not been to support the freedom of the common man. It has had a history of supporting those who would enslave the common man.

Christ was NOT a Catholic, and Peter was NOT the first Pope. The Catholic church made it punishable by death for anyone other than a priest to read the Scriptures.

The Reformation freed men so they could properly worship Christ and read the Scriptures that God gave all men to read! Like it or not, the Reformation helped free men who were enslaved by a church that became the bastard child of the ruling Kings of Europe.

Why else do you think so many P{opes were brothers of kings. You either inherited the throne of your father, or you were banished to the church. If you were good at politics, you could rise in the ranks and become a Cardinal and maybe even Pope. Where do you think all those younger brothers went after the king died. They used to kill their brothers to eliminate any challenge to their throne.

Amazing what happens when men can freely chose between God and the world. Sadly, most will chose the world, but forcing them to chose God will not save their soul, they need to do so willingly. That is why you do not baptize children, you only baptize those who are old enough to freely chose who their God and Savior will be!

Sorry, but without the Reformation, we would still be owned by the Lords and tied to the land they own, while being told by the catholic Church, “God wants us to head the King and suffer”.

By the way, do you have a coin to help build the Pope’s bathhouse? After all, you know that everytime,

“Coin in the coffer rings, the soul from purgatory springs.”

18 posted on 03/18/2013 10:04:57 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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